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RE: The Beauty and Mystery of Mathematics
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Ruphus
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 RE: The Beauty and Mystery of Mathem... (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha
... left at the mercy of one's own imagination.
Like ... discovering that one is completely explainable as string puppy, depending merely on accidental course of extern happenings.
A running vehicle witout actual steering wheel.
... Without mirrors, without breaks ...
With only obligations as common mould and manifold others of any excentric example.
Plain accident determining what you be. Movies you might have seen lately, heores seen in youth, ideals not understood but followed, and impulses you are not even aware of.
And that you could improve on the puppy situation the more you train. Exercising for sobriety, for actual recognition, authencity; for a life beyond of vegetation.
Only to be ... maybe again, left at the mercy of one's own imagination
Will it be no accident anymore? Are you really sober now, or actually biased; understanding or erring, authentic or cheap copy of what you deem on the right path?
Just a minute flash in the whirl, or a blessing for the appreciation of the grind aeons have accomplished to come up with just incredible constructs of complexity and finess?
Buddhists could be saying that indeed entity needed that appreciation of you semi conscious viewer for to be the magnificience it is.
And which could be where I´d put a tongue in cheek and for once embrace the otherwise absurdity of egocentrism reflected in such thesis.
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This must be looking like flirting for poetic image ( thank you, David, for the nice words above! :O) but the question of the subject possibly wobbling around as air bubble that is either idle or bursting by randomness could be how life likes to ridicule the vain who fancy to be a thinking individual.
Could we be refusing to realize that we are just dasies on a windy meadow?
Only wishing to be of sense before being dropped as cowpat by the tides of indifference?
Noone wants to be that.
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And yet, most are just being bios mass.
For pity of lying idle.
Or how do you call wasted cow pats? 
Ruphus
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Date Nov. 24 2013 0:23:58
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Ricardo
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RE: The Beauty and Mystery of Mathem... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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I remain agnostic about the non-human existence of mathematics, since it is difficult, if not impossible for me to conceive what that might be.
It might not exist as a separate entity but it "exists" I am sure non the less perhaps as some other description. For example, the periodic table of elements is a simple reality of nature. Sure we made the literal "table" but it ties together, for me anyway, math, chemistry, physics (both GR and of course QED or whatever), time, space, astronomy, etc. Oddly it is only approached by CHEMISTRY to young students. I remember doing chemistry equations as a kid and thinking, this is like some weird math. There should or could be simply, ONE class subject called "stellar evolution" in which the big picture is addressed and the periodic table becomes sort of a logical consequence. Instead we are left to make all the connections later, but any kid could understand the simple logic involved in how things are happening. No need for the tool "math" to be a separate entity from everything else.
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Date Nov. 26 2013 22:03:25
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: The Beauty and Mystery of Mathem... (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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wow, interesting thread, middle east politics, religion, science, mathematics, physics,,,,
I personally think God simply messed it up right at the beginning.
She (not he) actually wanted to make a fair, nice, clean and modern western universe where there is always a cute Mrs. antimatter for a handsome Mr. matter and where they always find eachother and melt together in suicide bombastic love pretty fast, then, due to a moment of typical female carelessness, some polygam terrorist Mr. matters took advantage, exploited the loophole and catched more than one Mrs. antimatter, hence some confused Mr. matters were left alone without a counterpart.
And now we have the mess and are trying to find a solution. 
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Date Nov. 28 2013 9:18:49
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: The Beauty and Mystery of Mathem... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
It might not exist as a separate entity but it "exists" I am sure non the less perhaps as some other description.
How about those pesky imaginary numbers, do they "exist"? I think that word "exist" is part of the problem. Does the classical electromagnetic field "exist"?
Walking back across the parking lot from a tour of the planet's most precise radar, where I had been pulling on the government money guy's arm, he asked, "Okay, I've heard all about the electromagnetic field waving, but nobody has been able to explain to me exactly what is waving."
My good friend, the MIT Site Manager started talking about sending waves down a rope by wiggling the end you're holding onto. The money guy interrupted, "Yeah, I've heard about that, but what I'm asking is, what is the rope?"
I put my oar in. "Well, what we actually see is that if we wiggle some electrons here, a lot of them, wiggling really hard and fast, then other electrons on satellites hundreds of kilometers away start wiggling a little later, at the same frequency. After some further delay this causes electrons in our receiver to wiggle a little, and we decipher the results. We don't see anything at all wiggling in between, but it's as though something were there wiggling, and transmitting the energy back and forth even through a vacuum. You can use Maxwell's field equations to figure out when and how the electrons out there will wiggle, no matter where they are."
The money guy seemed better satisfied with that. However, I don't think my explanation had anything to do with our getting a million bucks for a new radome. I think that was because of how important that radar was for keeping track of just what was going on in space.
RNJ
I'm off to my brother's place in the Hill Country northwest of San Antonio. Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it!
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Date Nov. 28 2013 14:26:24
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