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getsemani

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Melchor to Enrique 



Would love to know some of your reactions
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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to getsemani

One of my favorite videos. Both monster players, but I definitely like Melchor more. :) And his reactions to Enrique's technique are hilarious!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 7 2013 18:23:09
 
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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to getsemani

Yeah love this video. It's amazing how Enrique plays brilliantly but
his father has something else. Some magic and a relaxed way of playing that Enrique goes on to develop later.

Cheers
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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to getsemani

quote:

Would love to know some of your reactions


what's your reaction?

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getsemani

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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to mark indigo

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo
what's your reaction?


Enrique plays first and is clearly very talented even at a young age. But i am amazed at what Melchor's soulful play accomplishes with some simple falsetas.

I thought also about the more modern players, many of whom play very quickly and very complex falsetas. They are very impressive. But if I had to choose "My" flamenco, I would choose the last 30 seconds of this video. Any day.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 7 2013 20:07:24
 
getsemani

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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to getsemani



this too
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 7 2013 20:11:37
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to getsemani

quote:

Would love to know some of your reactions


I like the way that this vid pisses all over the pointless and tedious "old versus new" arguments. I like seeing the "old" and "new" hanging out on the sofa together listening to, appreciating and respecting each other.....

quote:

if I had to choose "My" flamenco, I would choose the last 30 seconds of this video.

if I had to choose "my" flamenco it would be the whole vid, right there on the sofa, not either/or, not versus, but the all of it (cante too), moving through time, from generation to generation (and don't forget neither of these guitarists are with us any more).

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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to mark indigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: mark indigo

quote:

Would love to know some of your reactions


I like the way that this vid pisses all over the pointless and tedious "old versus new" arguments. I like seeing the "old" and "new" hanging out on the sofa together listening to, appreciating and respecting each other.....

quote:

if I had to choose "My" flamenco, I would choose the last 30 seconds of this video.

if I had to choose "my" flamenco it would be the whole vid, right there on the sofa, not either/or, not versus, but the all of it (cante too), moving through time, from generation to generation (and don't forget neither of these guitarists are with us any more).


I agree wholeheartedly Mark.

And BIZARRELY the variety of dynamics and tone colours with which the older performer chooses to distinguish his playing have been regarded, by some on this foro, as rendering some fabulous modern interpretations (such as those by Grisha) invalid.

It really seems all too easy to confuse a desire for 'authenticity' with plain envy.

D.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 7 2013 23:16:09
 
getsemani

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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to guitarbuddha

quote:

ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha


I agree wholeheartedly Mark.

And BIZARRELY the variety of dynamics and tone colours with which the older performer chooses to distinguish his playing have been regarded, by some on this foro, as rendering some fabulous modern interpretations (such as those by Grisha) invalid.

It really seems all too easy to confuse a desire for 'authenticity' with plain envy.

D.


to each their own...
to each their own definition of authenticity, to each their own motives for liking or disliking, be it envy or other personal reason
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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to mark indigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: mark indigo

quote:

Would love to know some of your reactions


I like the way that this vid pisses all over the pointless and tedious "old versus new" arguments. I like seeing the "old" and "new" hanging out on the sofa together listening to, appreciating and respecting each other.....

quote:

if I had to choose "My" flamenco, I would choose the last 30 seconds of this video.

if I had to choose "my" flamenco it would be the whole vid, right there on the sofa, not either/or, not versus, but the all of it (cante too), moving through time, from generation to generation (and don't forget neither of these guitarists are with us any more).



I get choked up when I watch this, reminds of my father and myself when I was a kid. Sure young people play a lot of notes, so eager to impress and do well and advance, but the cool thing is the pride his father has and his awe of what his son was doing... it is not about technique vs feeling BS again...his dad simply was tiping his hat there at the end as he knows full well how much further along the next generation was going. The clip does not show the part right before this where he says " I won't say my son is the best in spain, but I will say there is not really anyone better"....and that is sort of true. Enrique ended up right at the top with the best ever in spain, playing shoulder to shoulder with Cepero and PDL etc. Obvious Enrique was into PDL, and to be honest he was alway under rated IMO. To say his dad had something over him is silly when you consider his age and all he accomplished after this. I love melchor too, but you can't compare them in terms of level. This video was simply beautiful and shows family, tradition, and evolution all at once.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 8 2013 5:37:35
 
getsemani

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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to getsemani

thanks Ricardo.
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RE: Melchor to Enrique (in reply to getsemani

2 videos above are not available. Can anyone post them again for latecomers? Thanx!

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