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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Question to the luthiers about s... (in reply to C. Vega)
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Charles, if you are saying that you could produce this bridge for what LMI gets for their bridges, or perhaps their wholesale cost, then I would like to order some from you. Personally, I don't think you can, for the labor you would have to spend on it. Tell ya what, send me 50 bucks and I'll send a bridge for you to copy and sell it to me for, let's say, $12 each........for 25 bridges. Total $300. Remember, you are telling this list that there's not much difference in LMI's and my bridges. Actually, I hope you can reproduce the same bridge for a lot less money, I would buy them from you rather than spend it with my present production company.
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Date May 29 2013 20:19:35
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Question to the luthiers about s... (in reply to C. Vega)
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Then why does it interest you to get on this list and tell me how to make bridges or any design that you are not willing to do yourself. The very fact that you condescend like this tells me you have little to nothing constructive to offer, and you have no idea how complicated this bridge is to build. I have the LMI bridge to compare it with, and you seem to offer nothing but condescending remarks, that frankly, show me that you are struggling to make grand impressions but have no real understanding of the facts. The bridges cost me money and if you want one, then pay for it. And If you don't, then that's another story. Charles, I'm up for a good story regarding your past history but I'm not terribly interested in hearing about things that get distorted over the Internet with mental oneupmanship. As far as I know, this is the first commercial try at this style of bridge and it is an educated style that is now available to anyone who is tired of building their own bridges. I know that I am, and I think there are quite a few builders out there who wouldn't mind having a well made Spanish style bridge to use for their guitars. And when you say "And even if I were interested, would you really expect me to pay you $50.00 to send me something that you want me to copy? That just doesn't make any sense". I don't think you are paying attention. I offered to pay you $300 for 25 bridges that you said you could build easy with your system that would compare to my design. A $300 return on a $50 investment seems to be a fairly good profit :-)
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Date May 29 2013 23:33:02
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C. Vega
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RE: Question to the luthiers about s... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear Then why does it interest you to get on this list and tell me how to make bridges or any design that you are not willing to do yourself. The very fact that you condescend like this tells me you have little to nothing constructive to offer, and you have no idea how complicated this bridge is to build. I have the LMI bridge to compare it with, and you seem to offer nothing but condescending remarks, that frankly, show me that you are struggling to make grand impressions but have no real understanding of the facts. The bridges cost me money and if you want one, then pay for it. And If you don't, then that's another story. Charles, I'm up for a good story regarding your past history but I'm not terribly interested in hearing about things that get distorted over the Internet with mental oneupmanship. As far as I know, this is the first commercial try at this style of bridge and it is an educated style that is now available to anyone who is tired of building their own bridges. I know that I am, and I think there are quite a few builders out there who wouldn't mind having a well made Spanish style bridge to use for their guitars. And when you say "And even if I were interested, would you really expect me to pay you $50.00 to send me something that you want me to copy? That just doesn't make any sense". I don't think you are paying attention. I offered to pay you $300 for 25 bridges that you said you could build easy with your system that would compare to my design. A $300 return on a $50 investment seems to be a fairly good profit :-) Huh??? What the f***??? Lighten up, old boy. No need to get your shorts in a bunch. They're just freakin' guitar bridges fergawdsakes. And before you, of all people, say that anyone has nothing constructive to offer or of being condescending you should go back and read a few of your own posts.
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Date May 30 2013 0:12:39
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RE: Question to the luthiers about s... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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Not the same as an "investment". Call me picky but you are offering him a job. It would be like me telling you that when you build a guitar you realize (based on what your price is) an astronomical return on your investment in the price of materials. There is this thing called "work" that moves this scenario into something other than an "investment". By it's nature the investment itself is what generates a loss or return. If I buy a painting at a yard sale for 5 dollars and it turns out to be a Jackson Pollack (like this lady I saw on TV did) then I would realize a $24,999,995.00 increase in my 5 dollar investment. But the only work along the way was taking it home and sticking it up on my wall. And yes Arash, we are all entrepreneurs in spite of ourselves. Goes with the turf of self employment. Ugly, I admit, but true. Back to the bridge thing, Stephen got it right that we all put in way more than 60 dollars worth of work to create a bridge. There is something to consider though, what makes a bridge ideal for a particular guitar goes well beyond the physical dimensions. I have at this point more bridge blanks than guitars I could ever build. I also have a friend with a CNC who has offered to take a finished bridge and then map it out and blast out as many bridges as I want. The attractiveness of this, for me, is the ability to choose, based on weight and stiffness, the perfect bridge for each guitar. But in the end, I would want my own bridge design and I have more faith in my materials than in what would be used in mass produced bridges to be honest. CNC technology is getting cheaper and cheaper and people with CNCs are not hard to find.
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Date May 30 2013 12:41:26
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Question to the luthiers about s... (in reply to aarongreen)
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Not the same as an "investment". Call me picky but you are offering him a job. It would be like me telling you that when you build a guitar you realize (based on what your price is) an astronomical return on your investment in the price of materials. There is this thing called "work" that moves this scenario into something other than an "investment". Aaron, you are forgetting what Charles has implied. It would be easy for him to build bridges at a lower price than my bridges but by the time everything is done, the mark up has to be such that he is able to make a living with them. So, in a way, you are confirming my thoughts about the cost. I know that I would be willing to pay certain fees, not to have to build my own bridges, and this is what I've done, with much planning and hard work, to realize a consistent quality bridge that would fit most Spanish styled guitars. And you are free to decide what type you like but if any bridge were a tiny fraction off, in its weight, then I always fine tune the voice after the bridge is on the guitar. Fine tuning the voice is what I do. And most guitars never come out the same way with top to strut mass, without tweaking their potential synergy to get at the perfect tone.
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Date May 30 2013 14:01:47
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