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estebanana
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 RE: Tabbing rules?? (in reply to gj Michelob)
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Do yo miss the California sun? We had some spectacular weather for a few weeks now. I am moving across the Golden Gate Bridge to catch even more of it; I was pushing for a house in Sonoma [the older i get the more i find the country - not just the music- attractive] but am willing to settle for a less life changing relocation and are looking to settle in Mill Valley.
I like Sonoma, it's more authentically farm country than Mill Valley. Although Mill Valley is far away form SF yet close and you can walk on that splendid path down in Tennesee Valley.
When I worked for a contractor doing finish carpentry we built a few houses in Mill Valley, I always honestly felt like a second class citizen. There is a palpable social separation between intellectual labor and hands on labor in Mill Valley. Funny story: I was standing in front of the house we were building, it was a farm house with a slick reductive modern addition (look up the Japanese architect Ando and think Old Funky Barn + Ando) I was in charge of three months of trimming out of the place in custom dimensioned vertical grain Doug Fir. I wrapped beams and window frames with on site dimensioned VGDF and it took three months. The house was not that big. We joked we were building a giant piano instead of a house.
The plumbing was complex, systems of under floor heating, special bath tubs, etc. The guy doing the plumbing was an American who lived in Hungary. He flew over to work for six weeks to do the plumbing. He lived with his Hungarian wife in a small town in Hungary and came to the Bay Area to do plumbing in the US every two months. He would stay for four to six weeks and earn enough to live comfortably in Hungary keeping his wife a kids in a house that was like a small castle. Everyone loin that town loved that guy because he employed most of the carpenters in his town remodeling his house.
Anyway, this Mill Valley lady comes rushing down the road and sees me in the street unloading some expensive timber. She screeches her car to a stop, rolls the power window down and asks me if the plumber can come to her house and look at the washing machine sink which is over flowing. I said you can ask him, but I seriously doubt it because he is under lot of pressure to meet an inspection deadline on the plumbing. Then she said "Well how difficult can plumbing be? Can't he just break away and look at my sink?" I say "You can just call a plumber that travels out and make an appointment, I'm sure someone can look at your sink. "
Then she got snotty with me, "Well, how much does your plumber charge? I'll pay him more to come look now." "Well" I said, "if he were able to disengage from what he's doing he charges 80.00 per hour which is reasonable for how good he is. But he's not available." Then she said "Oh I see, why do plumbers make so much? After all it's not like they are lawyers, why should they get 80.00 dollars an hour?" Then I said the best comeback of my life without missing a millisecond. "Lady", I said, "plumbers and lawyers are exactly the same, they both get paid to bail people out when they are up to their bottom lip in sh*t. "
She rolled up her window and sped off.
My salty anecdote of the day. 
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Date May 25 2013 3:07:43
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gj Michelob
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From: New York City/San Francisco
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RE: Tabbing rules?? (in reply to estebanana)
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Interesting anecdote. The parallel with lawyers' hourly rates stimulates an interesting conversation on how commerce tends to convert service into product.
On the one hand, the advent of hourly rates allowed large law enterprises to sell product and in quantity, the hours produced by the more or less slaved associates and partners. On the other hand [a point I made when we discussed Spotfy], music became an industry when records allowed musicians and their impresarios to sell product and in quantity - records.
But both are slowly reverting to their original and authentic nature, a service, an intellectual service, where there is no tradable product.
So are sheet music and scores now the vestigial heritage of the music industrial era? Are they the "product" musicians will sell and want to defend? it is still too soon to answer, but since we all love to guess.... i believe they are the future because they represent the finest element of music, creativity. That may very well be worth something, as records sales plummet precipitously.
Both the cultural and emotional points analyzed above, provide some relief that Flamenco and its musicians are not inclined to enforce copyright against unauthorized transcriptions of their work. But these views do not resolve the problem. Also the suggestion that fragments ["excerpts" being the proper description], of a book or score are immune from suit is a more of a popular belief than anything else.
As pointed out in my first reply here [and as Stephen commented other blogs have carefully disclaimed] the "purpose" is one of the key aspects [eductional, critical or analytical presentation] along with the extent of the audience it is presented to.
Naturally, presenting transcriptions of an excerpt is less likely to be challenged, but not necessarily unless the educational purpose be served.
On that note, I wanted to organize a session -written interview based on members questions or even live webinar- with one of YouTube legal counsels who specializes on the subject area of the law. This and other recurrent questions on music copyright may warrant the effort to organize the event.
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Date May 25 2013 15:44:25
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Tabbing rules?? (in reply to gj Michelob)
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Allow me an example. If on a different Foro someone published an unauthorized transcription of Ricardo's work and he [whom I adore] were upset and asked me to protect his rights, I probably would start a lawsuit and throw salt over the unlawful material !!!
Allow? It has infact occured. Dr. Whitehead was "caught" red handed playing my tanguillo "mi copita de jerez". He performed his own transcription, never purchased my version for sale through my site, never the less, a clear violation as I never gave him expressed permission or signed any mechanical liscense agreements. To make it worse, he apparently entered his recorded version (and perhaps his own score) of my work to a competition over seen by Manolo Sanlucar, in the end winning a healthy beca (grant) and opportunities galore to study abroad. Certain source upset or felt the entire thing ridiculous informed that there a good chance that Manolo might have been lead to believe that Dr. Whitehead was in fact the composer, and that the competition was to show case compositional talent, not necessarily playing ability. The Dr. assured me (and oddly as I had not sent any accusation) that he made it quite clear that the work was composed by myself. On the train from Jerez to sevilla I saw an add for cordoba course and saw dr whitehead performing on stage with Manolo and other students, a dream come true for some, and would be a frustrating extra thorn in my side if this were all to turn in to a legal issue of infringment.
But here is REALITY. The guy did this on his own, yet he is my student. Even if I didn't not show him how to play THIS piece, it is an honor to me as a FLAMENCO artist that people would want to play ANY of my falsetas. Even he does not have to SAY so loudly from the stage that it is MINE, it's ok. That is way flamenco has always been transmitted. His own students certainly know that the music is not his, and it only matters in the end if they actually care about that. For flamenco music to have continued through so many periods it would need to go through many different interpretors and new creative directions. And lastly, and most important that Dr. Whitehead is a GREAT friend, he's my bro. He can do what EVER THE HELL he wants with my music. After thanking me for inadvertantly helping with his successes he asked he could do for ME. I told him send me some strings, and he did. I hope that the cold universe of the internet does not try to remove from Flamenco guitar, just because of convienience and legality crosspollinations, its essence of traditions being passed on from teacher to student, friends and colleagues to others, with no extra need for protections and compensations.
Ricardo
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Date May 28 2013 17:23:30
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Arash
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Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: Tabbing rules?? (in reply to estebanana)
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haha, i remember "discovering" a video from him on youtube some years ago playing a piece from Ricardo and not mentioning anything about him at all (i think he did it later ;) and everyone was commenting how great "his" piece is , etc.. I was kinda upset and mentioned it in the foro i think, but Ricardo said something like ..who cares, he is my bro and can do whatever he wants.... or something like that ... well its his music, if he is ok with it and he is his friend and can do whatever he wants,,,, well then nobody else should care much,,,,
But if some dumbass should upload the tabs, the CD, etc. on rapidshare and Ricardo would say "who cares..thats the way flamenco has been transmitted" that would suck, since others paid for that stuff , but i guess that would be a different story and he wouldn't accept that anyway, and then ... GJ can kick the guys ass
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Date May 28 2013 19:31:56
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