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Right, so for Bulerias feels like trying to interrupt a stubborn person talking Super fast.
I am at the moment unable to get a teacher etc so no help there. I know this has probably been posted thousands of times I just can't find an answer for me.
Is starting at say 100bpm then slowly cranking it up the best way? So far I am finding it hard to stay in time at this level, too fast etc. If so it feels like it will be years before I get anywhere (which sounds about right). Also I am killing my family with these exercises
start as slow is it takes to get just 2 or 3 compas exactly right with all the notes placed exactly to where they belong. play along with metronome and after 10 minutes or so, crank up the metronome 5 bpm more and continue then 5 more bpm etc.... after an hour you should be playing significantly faster without much trouble. All of this depends greatly on your ability to first place the notes exactly in rhythm at a slow tempo. Guessing will not help you. Be diligent. Be Precise. Be a perfectionist here. Your success will depend on it.
learn another few compas and do the same, then put them together. add more doing the same process. in month you can have a significant amount of material together and up near 200bpm or better.
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Flamenco Guitar is a percussion instrument. Start acting like percussionists.
Is starting at say 100bpm then slowly cranking it up the best way? So far I am finding it hard to stay in time at this level, too fast etc.
Is it possible at all that your feeling 100bpm like 200bpm and trying to go faster then you need to? 100bpm for bulerias is pretty slow, if you can't change chords effectively at that speed maybe you should just spend a little time trying to jump from one chord to another without playing to a metronome or a compas in mind, like a drill. Just do A to Bb and Bb to A over and over and get that transition down quickly and cleanly. Then start trying to do it in compas, maybe try singing the compas to the metronome too to get that "melody" in your head. My two rupees at least.....
I'd say, first learn how to play a normal 3/4 beat correctly, Bulerías is 6/4 or two cycles of 3/4, if you got that groove in your blood bulerías could be relatively easy. If you can't play walz or other songs in 3/4 you won't understand Bulerías either. Understanding Palmas is also very effective. Try that: clap 5 times like this - 1 2 3 4 5 - 7 8 9 10 11 then you've to tap your foot on beat 12 and 3 and on beat 6 and 9 you can also tap you foot in 2s: 12-2-4-6-8-10 forget about that 12 beat cycle, Bulerías is just: Uhm du du DU du du Uhm du du DU du du
Can anyone recommend a source for learning basic bulerias phrases or "compases"? I know a couple or more but would like to learn some more. Basically anything that isnt considered a falseta. As the web has alot of them... Thanks
BTW: to the starter: about counting, I find foot taps in threes on every second count, like 12-2-4-6-8-10 helps alot to follow the compas. But I think about it in sixes, like 6-8-10, that keeps it only as three foot taps which help to follow the compas by feeling, basically eliminating the counting to feeling constant three foot taps, that way when you end on the third tap you know the ending is in compas. Diego del morao is one of the players who use foot tapping on every second beat of bulerias
Bulerías is just: Uhm du du DU du du Uhm du du DU du du
No it isn't.
Ramon
Well, it is an important palmas pattern. Although I would revise it as "uhm" is felt more than heard strong as written so it is: uhm Dudee du DU! du du uhm Dudee du DU! du du....etc
Playing drums can be really beneficial to guitarists I think. I keep an electronic set in my appt and try to put a good 20 minutes a day on 'em. I have trouble finding songs I want to learn that aren't a million miles an hour though......been going through my corrosion of conformity and Down.
You can tell me what you want but I promise you that I never met someone from Andalucía who knows that flamenco-reloj thingy. The people there told me exactly that: Uhm du du DU du du that's the main groove, the rest comes natural. that's the way how you learn in Andalucía, without the theoretical BS.
Bingo!
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Flamenco Guitar is a percussion instrument. Start acting like percussionists.
1. Find a well played example of bulerias compas played slowly, and just listen.
2. Stop counting.
3. If the lesson includes counting, skip over that section.
4. Stop counting
don't use a metronome either. remain ignorant and don't use tools that make understanding easier to achieve. continue playing streams of memorized note sequences out of rhythm and when you wonder why when you sit down with other musicians, dancers and singers that you can't keep steady time with them, blame it on them. Its not really your fault, you don't need to count or use a metronome because toddK says so.
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Flamenco Guitar is a percussion instrument. Start acting like percussionists.
Rib, I think you missunderstood what Todd was trying to say. I believe his advice was meant for people who are beginning to learn bulerías, so they don't get all confused with the counting (which can be very confusing at first, at least it was for me). He didn't advise Aretium to do that on the long term.
Glad to know there is at least one person who knows what toddK is thinking. Thanks for the clarification.
Look man, I just wrote that so that maybe you could look at the man's opinion in another perspective, instead of making such a sarcastic comment like you did. Not cool...
I'm here mainly to learn stuff and also laugh a bit, as everyone else I suppose. There are already enough people here that pick on each other, misread comments, trash others and start stupid fights for nothing. If the great players in this forum (like you, of course) start making comments like that about other great players opinions, this place will go down the drain and won't have much to offer in my opinion. But I'm quite new here, maybe this has always been like this...
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Watch this video starting from 1:11 in reference to the above.
Looks like you might guilty of misinterpretation yourself. Humor is good and a necessary ingredient for flamenco and most especially bulerias. Please do accept my sincere apology if you found my reply offensive. I am reply on an iPhone and here in Kazakhstan it is cold and my mittens are imparing my ability to type or else I would have used some emoticons to express how I am feeling right now.
I think the burrito, burrito, taco thing is best actually. Counting rhythmic cycles is stupid and no serious musicians ever count. BTW, I can't really play myself so don't take anything I say too seriously.
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Flamenco Guitar is a percussion instrument. Start acting like percussionists.
don't use a metronome either. remain ignorant and don't use tools that make understanding easier to achieve. continue playing streams of memorized note sequences out of rhythm and when you wonder why when you sit down with other musicians, dancers and singers that you can't keep steady time with them, blame it on them. Its not really your fault, you don't need to count or use a metronome because toddK says so.