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estebanana

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to Erik van Goch)

I'm sensing you're playing with gender ambiguities and the dichotomy between old/young and the symbolism, of the holy trinity as expressed through the useage of a tricycle as vehicle to propel your thematic material forward.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2013 22:12:39

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

It's a little kid try'n to ride a bike

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estebanana

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

I was kidding.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2013 2:53:36

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to c)

But this painting represents the insecurities that develop as
one learns the importance of choice steming from the
desire to learn to walk. The smile says I can reach the future
But the distance to the ground does show my reluctance to act
quickly. I will have to jump at every chance I get.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2013 5:13:34

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

gotcha

Its just a kid sitting on the steps

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Ruphus

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

`Shamelessly´ laughing at the spectator.

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I have a photo book about wolves, used to have books about canine behaviour and grab any special bit I can . And somewhere in the computer backup there must a beautiful shot that I once found in the internet, taken of an Alskan pack.

One of my childhoods favoured books was London´s "White Fang".
- And my stray pack shows lots of wolfish behaviour too.
Such a gift of creature!

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2013 8:46:13

estebanana

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

C,

This is an artist I mentioned earlier from Spain. Antonio Lopez Garcia. Since you did taxidermy I thought this might interest you. It is a bas relief on wood. A thick board that has some carving on it and the whole thing is painted with oil paint. Like a blend of taxidermy and painting on flat surface.

It's pretty old way of working, carve into surface, cover it with several layers of gesso and the the paint on it. I could imagine you doing a bird or a kid this way.

Anyway the tricycle picture just brought that up for me.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.moma.org/collection_images/resized/689/w500h420/CRI_208689.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.moma.org/collection//browse_results.php%3Fcriteria%3DO%253AAD%253AE%253A3600%257CA%253AAR%253AE%253A1%26page_number%3D1%26template_id%3D1%26sort_order%3D1&usg=__riY5gZTRxLTn7Q5WVcCwC9cfAcQ=&h=350&w=500&sz=67&hl=en&start=1&sig2=T4-QpL6yY7YTcgXyZpCUYQ&zoom=1&tbnid=4pTMcJI3piQb9M:&tbnh=91&tbnw=130&ei=j79yUZCjEqXxigLY4YHAAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dantonio%2Blopez%2Bgarcia%2Bapparition%26um%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26hl%3Den%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CCwQrQMwAA

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2013 16:37:44

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

Thats cool.
I like the idea
I no longer practice taxidermy, but when I did I painted a lot of fish.
In the mid to late 70s catch and release programs were put in place
on a lot of trophy fish producing lakes in Canada, so we started offering a
product that was only done for those that had a photo to prove their
catch and release. It was of coarse a fiberglass reproduction of their fish
painted to match the photo. And this is how I gained my ability for painting from photos.
As life moved on I more and more enjoyed two dimensional over three.
I also have enjoyed sculpting and pottery as a hobby.

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Ruphus

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

BTW 3D ...
- If you won´t mind straying from art and pseudo to plain tech, Chester.

After noting that a first shop in Japan had started offering 3D reproduction of customers, I began reseacrhing whether it be possible for me to gather and match required accessoirs and software and possibly start such a shop here too, where going for ( stiff posed ) family photos is a strong tradition as well.

I dissed the idea however, because of local currency rate that would render gear expenses to up from five times any original price.
That and the consideration that a time frame before consumer level equipment be released to end the professional market niche could be too short.

But aside of the commercial yes or nay pondering of this new toy* I find the technological option fascinating of producing figures of folks with pretty remarkable livelyness and detail.

Ruphus

*
Not too new actually.
I have been trained with producing dental ceramics by cervic systems already over 15 years ago. And industrial devices by additive method produce racing car bodies, violines or tranplants like jaw bone replacement.

And you have certainly seen reports on examples with humble printers that allow for instance the making of a pistols plastic parts, as shown during the late civil weapon discussion in USA.

New however is affordable gear with reproduction detail as shown in above pictures ( consider the photos low quality).

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2013 20:06:56

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

Just get yourself a Real Doll* and let others worry about making art:

https://www.realdoll.com/

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2013 20:20:37

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

Also this:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2013 20:22:30

Ruphus

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

Ignorance must be a bliss, isn´t it.
That missing originality of your wannabe modern art didn´t really surprise for the inherent mimicing with pseudo intellectualism anyway.

But with that last post in a row of so completely lame counters you do surprise as fragile and before all unimaginative personality as well.

I think to see now where you are coming from with that endevourred seek for intellectual appearance. I bet you used to be of the geeks in the schoolyard that everyone used to tease and the girls be laughing at.

From there all that pretention.

BTW ...

With your talks about guitar making as if you had been into it so masterly and intensively:
May I ask how many guitars you have actually produced to date?

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2013 21:16:57

estebanana

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

Ruphus, this is the deal :

Put up your own work and stand a crit or step down from your negative attacks on real artists. As said, the people who do the work on the real ones, those who do not act and judge others are posers.

Decide who you are.

I'm delivering four professional quality instruments this week. What did you do creatively this week besides gaze at your navel and talk a bunch of smack about stuff you don't understand?

Plainly said, put up or shut up.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 20 2013 22:18:08

Ruphus

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

As if I would need matching against someone who puts up 5-minute instant garbage.
But still, here pics of a sculpture that I still own ( I have very little left, as I used to give away my stuff).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 9:10:32

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

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You havn´t answered my question.
How many guitars have you made to date?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 9:12:02

estebanana

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

Meh... it's derivative of Ernst Barlach. Very chunky and lacking in the articulation and grace of a real Barlach.

We learn by copying so keep trying. Eventually you find you own voice.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 18:16:32

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

Try carving a cello scroll, it might serve as a lesson to teach you more about elegance and line control.

Also try carving a sculpture that is reductive instead of additive. With wax you can add and subtract, with wood it is a process of risk, if you blow it there is no going back and adding on.

Really does change the game. Cello scroll also take longer than five minutes.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 18:27:51

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

Or the perhaps identify which kind of spiral this is and try carving that.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 18:35:09

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

On some Strad cello scrolls the center line does not go perfectly down the center of the shell of the back side.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 18:37:58

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

With this I must bid you adios. I'll be finishing this cello in Japan, so Ilm off to catch a plane.

Keep working on difficult art projects and at some point soon your ego will hit the wall and you'll really begin to learn about yourself. That is when your work will get better. Good luck.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 18:44:21

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)

Hear, hear, the expert speaking.
Guess I should have seen of any Barlach make before copying it. Aside of that I can´t make out significant similarities between what I posted and the object that you presented.

You are like in kindergarden trying to shoot back with the very statement that has been thrown at you.

And you thinking that

a) carving of stone would be additive
b) a linear symmetrical form more of a challenge than of statues

only explains about your practical knowledge and why you advocate dilettantism.

The string of consciousness that pokes through is that the whole of your argumenttation is based on belly button consideration, just like with your take on global politics.
An intellectual attitude of early primary school.
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I am still waiting for your reply.
How many guitars have you built so far?

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 22:52:08

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to Ruphus)

I.... WAS .... enjoying this thread ......... This is my back yard

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 23:13:14

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to c)

I painted this from a photo I took down the road from my place

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2013 23:26:16

estebanana

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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to Ruphus)

quote:

Hear, hear, the expert speaking.
Guess I should have seen of any Barlach make before copying it. Aside of that I can´t make out significant similarities between what I posted and the object that you presented.

You are like in kindergarden trying to shoot back with the very statement that has been thrown at you.

And you thinking that

a) carving of stone would be additive
b) a linear symmetrical form more of a challenge than of statues

only explains about your practical knowledge and why you advocate dilettantism.

The string of consciousness that pokes through is that the whole of your argumenttation is based on belly button consideration, just like with your take on global politics.
An intellectual attitude of early primary school.
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I am still waiting for your reply.
How many guitars have you built so far?

Ruphus

Rock on, and rage on witt cho bad self. Rage, rage on, and when you tire yourself with raging and all the anger and contempt you have for everything you don't understand or want to realize in life, make some art.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2013 0:05:34