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Ruphus
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 RE: Being an artist. (in reply to Leñador)
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Idea alone is not enough.
( The lesser even when there is nothing special about it / no content conveyed.)
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Colour is overly celebrated by who can´t draw.
( Who was it again saying that adding the colour was just like peeing over it? You who are so firm with quotes might know.)
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My cousin, professor for architectur and art painting, was teaching perspective at the Berlin university. He despaired on student´s inability to understand the rules, for actually within common use it isn´t that hard to grasp.
More complicated is distorting in the way my cousin likes to do, like say painting a view from a NY sky scrapper top on the walls of an entry hall, etc. Or with the panorama rotundes he is currently exhibiting.
Then again I am critising him in so far as his past decade projects are under the level of his former paintings, for now he is making use of photography crutch too. Preparing panoramas in the computer and merely painting over where the plotter failed.
Granted, without his profound knowledge of perspective the technological means couldn´t help it either, and yet:
Items like theory of colours and of perspective are "only" of the means that an accomplished artist engages in conjunction with idea.
To demonstrate merely a single skill ( and that often enough, hardly) is not special enough in proficiency to ennoble some doing with a dedicated title like "art".
Any who thinks to know better, easily skipping over exclusive skills, may try to only remotely achieve the skills in the initial picture above first.
On they way to there he will certainly come to appreciate actual proficiency for one.
Ruphus
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Date Apr. 6 2013 9:08:53
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to estebanana)
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Yet today--or at least last May--you can't see the colors in the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel if you take the tour of the Vatican Museum.
After tramping for miles (literally, miles) with the thundering herd through marble corridors lined with the loot of centuries, you come to the chapel. The curtains are drawn shut on the windows, the only windows, high above the floor. The light is very dim, almost dark. The crowd is suffocatingly dense, shoulder to shoulder, back to back, belly to belly.
You don't dare spend any time gazing up at the ceiling, or your will be knocked off your feet by the jostling mob. But a few quick glances reveal only dim, dull forms.
You can find a seat on the long stone bench attached to the wall on one side, if you wait long enough. Then people stand in front of you, glaring at you to encourage you to move so they can take your seat.
So, you compose yourself to remain calm, and think of something else until it is time to shoulder your way through the massed herd, to meet your guide at the appointed time at the exit.
You manage to end up at the doorway, but on the wrong side of the velvet rope meant to funnel the mob into the next cattle chute. But the guard, seeing your predicament, unhooks the rope and lets you pass, with unfailing Italian courtesy.
All in all, a wonderful experience of great art! 
Sister Wendy looks nice enough. My buddy Renaldo and I caused enough trouble in 4th grade San Antonio public school that they sent him to the nuns for 5th grade. Fortunately I was a Protestant. He said you could never tell when one of those nice looking nuns would whip our her ruler and rap your knuckles if you disagreed with her!
I'd say she knows what she's talking about...
But perhaps we mathematicians and physicists are made more accustomed to the process of abstraction by our training. It seems obvious enough that you can't take the surface of a donut and flatten it out onto a sheet of paper without cutting it somewhere. Yet the process of proving this logically involves the invention of abstract concepts like Euclidean manifolds, the topological ideas of compact and connected sets, continuous mappings...things the plumber or sculptor need not concern himself with, even if he is a brilliant virtuoso at his trade.
But once the concepts are invented, the mathematician finds them interesting objects of study in themselves, just as the artist who has mastered color in realistic painting can find it interesting to study in and of itself.
RNJ
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Date Apr. 6 2013 19:36:27
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BarkellWH
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From: Washington, DC
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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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I fear that cardinality is not in the cards for me, due to my history of perhaps over enthusistic engagement in wordly pursuits.
Engagement in worldly pursuits was never a hindrance to high office in the Church. St. Augustine kept a mistress for many years in Carthage before becoming Bishop of Hippo in the 4th century. In the 15th and 16th centuries, the Borgia Popes committed adultary, simony, theft, and above all murder, both before and during their papal reign. There is yet hope, should you wish to don clerical robes.
Cheers,
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Apr. 7 2013 12:12:21
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Being an artist. (in reply to Guest)
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ORIGINAL: Shroomy726
This is the luxury of traveling without a "tour group" (which I DESPISE!!).
The group tour of the Vatican Museum is about the only one I can remember taking. I had gone to the entrance before, and saw the gigantic queue that reached down the street for hundreds of meters. The pleasant young man at my hotel desk said the tour groups were admitted with priority. It was true, and the hour of disorganized milling about before we got started could be passed sitting down in pleasant weather outdoors.
Still, inside the museum was more like a cattle stockyard then an artistic experience. The crowd in the chapel was such that I soon gave up on trying to see the ceiling, and retreated into a calmer atmosphere within myself to await the rendezvous with the group at the appointed time.
I half remembered people taking flash pictures, but then thought, "No, they could not possibly have been that crass." It almost makes me nostalgic for the old Mexico City "azules" cops, who would have beaten them to the floor with their sticks, and left them unconscious and bleeding as reminders to behave better.
There was a little more breathing space in Saint Perter's basilica, allowing the victim to admire the oppressively arrogant scale and opulence of the architecture.
For a display of wealth and power, I prefer the Taj Mahal. It is immense and hugely impressive, but friendly and uplifting in its serene beauty. It makes the spirit soar.
Unfortunately Shah Jehan's son found it necessary to depose and imprison his father for nearly bankrupting the realm. And they say the old Shah wasn't half the man he was before his beloved Mumtaz died, and he began the design and construction of her tomb.
While waiting for the Vatican tour to get organized, I did spend a pleasant time chatting with a Norwegian family--a middle aged man and wife, and the parents of one of them.
RNJ
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Date Apr. 8 2013 17:55:52
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JK, It has been a while, I should do a tour and see how my preferences for things has changed since 10 years ago. 
