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Apparently, Venezuela's fool for a vice president, Maduro, claimed that the US "infected" Chavez with Cancer. The Venezolanos deserve better.
Cheers,
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white, With the name of the late deceased, And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here, Who tried to hustle the East."
it's more rude to act like some morally superior being uniquely capable of behaving in a 'civilized' way. clearly people who celebrate his death are not fans of cancer but rather expect that it will result in an improvement in the lives of the venezuelans. that's the thing about dictators, they often need to die before that can happen.
That's a sad news. As someone said what he represented will never die.
The concept of dictatorship seems very all over the place in the mind of some people (and they aren't few btw). Chavez submitted himself to more than 10 elective process in his political carreer. Venezuela is a current democracy.
I don't get how an educated person could utter these allegations in such parrot-fashion
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taking billions from the state treasury and controlling the media is not typically associated with a committed democrat. causing electricity shortages in an oil-rich country, however, is typical of communist imbeciles like chavez
Anybody wanna talk about how Venezuela has the hottest chicks on the planet?? We had a girl from Venezuela come to a few dance classes and even the other dancers were like "That chick was unreal, even we couldn't concentrate." Ridiculous hot, and were in LA I feel like we have pretty high standards here..........
Anybody wanna talk about how Venezuela has the hottest chicks on the planet?? We had a girl from Venezuela come to a few dance classes and even the other dancers were like "That chick was unreal, even we couldn't concentrate." Ridiculous hot, and were in LA I feel like we have pretty high standards here..........
Venezuela is a current democracy. I don't get how an educated person could utter these allegations in such parrot-fashion
It's hardly a healthy democracy as we would understand it. Chavez wanted a coup but was talked out of it and encouraged to run for votes. He subsequently bought votes with oil revenues. The history is documented well enough for an intelligent person to draw their own conclusions.
"Venezuela consistently voted against UN General Assembly resolutions condemning abusive practices in North Korea, Burma, Iran, and Syria. Moreover, Chávez was a vocal supporter of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi, and Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, bestowing upon each of these leaders the “Order of the Liberator,” Venezuela’s highest official honor."
It's hardly a healthy democracy as we would understand it.
Venezuela' society's highly polarized and divided. That's certainly one of the Chavez's legacy. But I would not say that its not a healthy democracy. If Chavez managed to get reelected is not coz of the so-called "buying votes with oil". From what I understand, the opposition is very WEAK. They have problems to unify themself. Eventually, building a political project based principally on hatred arguments against Chavez or chavismo might be not enough to convice a majority of people.
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Chavez wanted a coup but was talked out of it and encouraged to run for votes.
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He subsequently bought votes with oil revenues. The history is documented well enough for an intelligent person to draw their own conclusions.
Well, I not agree with that. Of course I understand that the REDISTRIBUTION of oil's wealth (ala chavez) could be view as a non-sense to many. We are accustomed to the Corporate shareholders redistribution model, and apprehend it as the norm of a healthy economical society. Clearly, that's not the spirit of what happened in Venezuela during the last decade.
Indeed, this is possible coz of oil's wealth. So what? $$ isn't going to land into some fewer Corporate pockets guy, so he could buy another yacht with it, but directly toward citizens. Call it how you like. I would certainly not call it corruption!
But maybe you have information that I'm unaware of about particular corruption cases. As for brandoscostumes quote "taking billions from the state treasury". I'm unaware of that too.
Regarding the HRW doc (interesting stuff thks), I'm lacking of informations. I'm not living there so it's hard for me to judge. Of course, Venezuela still have to deal with big issues. There're failures in Chavez' politics...
But for the Media side (reducing freedom of speech, closing broadcast channel...), what I could say is that you need to focus on the peculiar context. Private medias behaved really badly against Chavez. Journalists often insulted him (coz he's not from the white elite, they mocked his indigenous origin). Personnal attacks, call to the uprising.... If they would have behaved the 1/4 like this in your country, I suppose they would have to face some serious deontological issues!
In 2002, they (Corporations that own private medias) clearly supported the golpe. They clearly and conscially misinform the citizenry on what was really going on. Idem in the 2003 strike.
So at one point Chavez said enough is enough. We may not agree with him, but I think (from what I understand from my outsider POV), that's it's not fair to point out his behaviour against the private medias and not explaining / occulting why!
Also, there's this diatribe against him that he made a tv show (alo presidente!) and monopolized the broacast for hours and hours. But the commentators never mention that the amount of viewers is very small. It's broadcast on 1 channel, and watching the show was not mandatory. They prefer to focus it toward the dictatorship aspect.
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