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Anders Eliasson
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 RE: manuel reyes guitar (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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But the interview with Manuel Reyes is a most extraordinary interview, in which Reyes, far from being a simple artisan, proves to be exceptionally erudite and articulate, a cross between a philosopher and a poet.
To give just one example – when asked “What qualities must a great guitarrero possess,” his answer is not something about wood, etc. His answer is “Morality. Integrity. Realism. Humility. Clear Vision. Imagination.”
Isn´t this just something universal? The way we should all be. The goal for all of us? Being luthiers, bankiers, politicians, fishermen, preachers, whatever?
The only thing exceptionally erudite etc that I see in this is that very few people act this way and that its exactly one of the biggest problems of mankind.
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Date Feb. 2 2013 20:04:57
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Ramon Amira
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RE: manuel reyes guitar (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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But the interview with Manuel Reyes is a most extraordinary interview, in which Reyes, far from being a simple artisan, proves to be exceptionally erudite and articulate, a cross between a philosopher and a poet.
To give just one example – when asked “What qualities must a great guitarrero possess,” his answer is not something about wood, etc. His answer is “Morality. Integrity. Realism. Humility. Clear Vision. Imagination.”
Isn´t this just something universal? The way we should all be. The goal for all of us? Being luthiers, bankiers, politicians, fishermen, preachers, whatever?
The only thing exceptionally erudite etc that I see in this is that very few people act this way and that its exactly one of the biggest problems of mankind.
Yes, that's the way we should all be. But the point I was making was that if you ask a luthier what qualities a great luthier must have, you would expect an answer something like "a good feel for wood," or something else to do with the various aspects of construction. You would not expect the answer he gave.
As for his being erudite and articulate - read the interview.
Ramon
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Date Feb. 2 2013 22:46:44
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RE: manuel reyes guitar (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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But the interview with Manuel Reyes is a most extraordinary interview, in which Reyes, far from being a simple artisan, proves to be exceptionally erudite and articulate, a cross between a philosopher and a poet.
To give just one example – when asked “What qualities must a great guitarrero possess,” his answer is not something about wood, etc. His answer is “Morality. Integrity. Realism. Humility. Clear Vision. Imagination.”
Isn´t this just something universal? The way we should all be. The goal for all of us? Being luthiers, bankiers, politicians, fishermen, preachers, whatever?
The only thing exceptionally erudite etc that I see in this is that very few people act this way and that its exactly one of the biggest problems of mankind.
Yes, that's the way we should all be. But the point I was making was that if you ask a luthier what qualities a great luthier must have, you would expect an answer something like "a good feel for wood," or something else to do with the various aspects of construction. You would not expect the answer he gave.
As for his being erudite and articulate - read the interview.
Ramon
Actually I'd expect an answer like that if the person answering the question has depth. The question is what the luthier must have. The qualities he listed give rise to all things such as a good feel for the wood or whatever minutia that is part of the endeavor a person embarks on. Those are things he listed, you either have or don't, the rest can be learned. It's a very good answer and very much points to the artistic nature of Reyes, who is definitely more than just another craftsman.
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Date Feb. 2 2013 23:53:39
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: manuel reyes guitar (in reply to aarongreen)
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But the interview with Manuel Reyes is a most extraordinary interview, in which Reyes, far from being a simple artisan, proves to be exceptionally erudite and articulate, a cross between a philosopher and a poet.
To give just one example – when asked “What qualities must a great guitarrero possess,” his answer is not something about wood, etc. His answer is “Morality. Integrity. Realism. Humility. Clear Vision. Imagination.”
Isn´t this just something universal? The way we should all be. The goal for all of us? Being luthiers, bankiers, politicians, fishermen, preachers, whatever?
The only thing exceptionally erudite etc that I see in this is that very few people act this way and that its exactly one of the biggest problems of mankind.
Yes, that's the way we should all be. But the point I was making was that if you ask a luthier what qualities a great luthier must have, you would expect an answer something like "a good feel for wood," or something else to do with the various aspects of construction. You would not expect the answer he gave.
As for his being erudite and articulate - read the interview.
Ramon
Actually I'd expect an answer like that if the person answering the question has depth. The question is what the luthier must have. The qualities he listed give rise to all things such as a good feel for the wood or whatever minutia that is part of the endeavor a person embarks on. Those are things he listed, you either have or don't, the rest can be learned. It's a very good answer and very much points to the artistic nature of Reyes, who is definitely more than just another craftsman.
I think that very few good luthiers are just another craftsman. Building instruments is not about craft only. Its not enough to just build a box with a stick and some strings following whatever plan. There are so many other things you have to learn. Some can be taught if you have a very long and very close connection to a luthier which is more than just a craftsman, but the rest you have to find out yourself.
The Luthier mostly work alone. Day after day and extremely important part of being a good luthier is to accept and funcion under loneliness. Accept, that you are just you and that you have to find your way of managing everything.
After years of being alone for many hours a day, maybe just with the radio as a collegue, most of us devellop a kind of filosofical nature, maybe even poetic or artistic. Some are better to put words on that than others, which is exactly what poetry is about, but most of the good luthiers I´ve met, have their own very personal vision of everything. Some just keep it to themselves so they might look more ordinaty than others when they are being presented in books, interviews etc.
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Date Feb. 3 2013 8:00:57
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: manuel reyes guitar (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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The Luthier mostly work alone. Day after day and extremely important part of being a good luthier is to accept and funcion under loneliness. Accept, that you are just you and that you have to find your way of managing everything.
In a conversation (in Spanish) in June of 1991 with Vicente Camacho in his shop in Madrid, he told me of his maestro, Modesto Borreguero, one of the three great oficiales of Manuel Ramirez, along with Santos Hernandez and Domingo Esteso.
I asked, "Maestro, do you have any disciples of your own?"
"Pues no," he replied. "Trabajo aqui solo, como San Jose. [No, I work here alone, like Saint Joseph ( the earthly father of Jesus)]"
He seemed a little wistful, but not dissatisfied with his situation.
RNJ
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Date Feb. 3 2013 8:36:37
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estebanana
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RE: M. REYES BUILD PLANS and brace s... (in reply to Don Dionisio)
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Stephen and Anders,
I don't have any problems with you or anyone else on the forum. However, I am tired
Of reading your negativity towards Tom Blackshear. I think the moderators should put an end to this.
I am asking you to please stop it.
Thank you.
I think you are mistaking negativity with total exasperation. Every time the subject of Reyes comes up Mr. Blackshear says the same thing, over and over and over. In fact he says the same thing over and over no matter what the subject is. And he never helps anyone else with any issues Anders, myself and others speak to. If someone has a problem and we are in position to share or comment we usually do. Mr. Blackshear always addresses the exact same issue like a broken record. Anders and I try to participate creatively and answer the questions that many of the high falutin' luthiers are too high up the food chain to bother with.
Anders puts in a lot of time to deal with nuts and bolts questions about set-up, action, sourcing materials and other practical meat & potatoes issues that players need to know. He, I and others do that quite often. Players are getting good specific advice about how and when to deal with repair work and tips for guitar construction. While Mr. Blacshear on the other hand only speaks to one specific problem, albeit for many of us anon existent problem, which is to tune fan braces.
In many respects this is putting the cart before the horse because this activity in the reality of the context of Spanish guitar construction is really esoteric and non-essential to the making of a good or a great guitar. Yet over and and over again Mr. Blackshear comes to every guitar forum with the exact same fomulae of discourse and implies that his method is superior to everyone elses.
So sorry if it bothers you that we are simply tired of the same barrage of anti productive discourse.
In this thread I photographed my own copy of David George's fine book and gave out the information to identify the book via its ISBN number.
Then after I did I realized that eventually Mr. Blackshear would join in and for the 4056th time he will talk about the Blackshear-Reyes plan and not about the Reyes interview from 1960's. Then I thought to myself well what a waste of time, this could have actually been interesting and it could have gotten onto the topic of Gerald Howson's book, but now it will be Toms dog and pony about that damn plan we've seen 4576 times.
So pardon me if I am exasperated.
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