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XXX
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 RE: AE911Truth (in reply to Ricardo)
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"I guess my point is... which you are missing...is sometimes there is not this big secret monster to blame for a bad happening"
sometimes it is, sometimes it is not.
"People are always pointing fingers."
some people point their fingers to the right things
"Disturbed people do disturbing things"
disturbed in your post means 2 things: a) you dont like the consequences of an action. Well thats easy, we can agree that its not nice to fly a plane into a building or shooting people for example in a war. b) it means you dont know or dont want to know a reason for their actions. This is just wrong.
"no amount of nurture and education can change that. "
It really depends. Sometimes people do wrong things because they have wrong reasons. They would not act in a certain way if they had certain information. That implies that they can think properly and are not under a certain disease that affects their cognition or awareness. Flying a plane into a building is a very controlled, planned political act. It has the clear purpose of harming a state, which they consider their enemy. They have their reasons, which might be wrong, but they are reasons which lead to a certain behavior.
" I promise you, you WILL die. Now pretend you have the power to prevent every possible cause you can think of that might bring about your demise...will you then live forever? "
Not sure if i understood that correctly, but the way its written here is self-contradictory. If i am able to remove any reasons that lead to death, then i WILL NOT die. Current science says though, even if you replace every aged organ with fresh ones, you Genome will still degenerate over time and so far there is no way to replace old, fractured genes with intact ones. But this is irrelevant anyway since most of the deaths are not naturally caused, in our beautiful capitalistic world.
"After which SOME nation will be "closest" to trying to achieve that, so "none" makes no sense as an answer anyway."
"Closest" implies some form of "closeness". This is like asking which one of the lethal diseases is the least lethal one. Nations are not harmless, peacefull constructs. Neither towards their own population, nor towards foreign folks. The reason why this is derives from their contradicting economic interests, but i wont expand on that. Just to say, there is a reason for it too :D just like there is a reason for everything.
"IN the end you all know it's USA anyway."
in your dreams. :)
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Date Feb. 1 2013 14:37:06
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BarkellWH
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RE: AE911Truth (in reply to Guest)
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Switzerland.
Switzerland has many good attributes, but Swiss society values social conformity a little too much for my taste. I'll give you a perfect example of Swiss social conformity by relating the experience of a very good Swiss friend who I first met in Arizona in 1971. He was doing a post-doctoral program at Arizona State University, and he took every advantage of living in Arizona to visit desert locations, the Grand Canyon, the Navajo and Hopi Indian reservations, etc. We all lived in a student community near campus and would attend parties in levis, enjoy the comfortable and casual life-style that one finds throughout the US, but particularly in the Southwest.
After he finished his post-doc program, he returned to Switzerland, got married, and went to work. We kept up, and he would write how he missed living in the US, because he had to conform so much to Swiss social norms. The kicker for me was when he wrote that when he wanted to feel free and casual, he and his wife would put on levis in their home and show slides of scenes from his days in Arizona.
Cheers,
Bill
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With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Feb. 1 2013 14:43:49
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Ricardo
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RE: AE911Truth (in reply to Ruphus)
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ORIGINAL: Ruphus
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
Been trying to get that statement out of you forever. NOW....how about achieving this ideal situation? After you make that thought ask which nation on earth is closest to exactly that.
I estimate in Europe Norway to be rather progressed place, though all of the leading places in Scandinavia or Holland are seeing their steps backwards since some years now.
Currently I think to see the farthest of relative steps forward in latin America.
There are basics that should be targeted first in line for a switch to a resonable and communal society. Measures for rotation, diversification and people´s supervision of leading positions, transparency and efficiency in education, information, primare supply, people´s presentation etc.
But what I suggest as order of measures in particular is not of importance. Deceisive before all is illumination of the staus quo and its concrete repercussions.
Of priority being that people shall understand what actually is up. What has been irresponsible and destructive routine until now and that we are standing at the brink.
It needs the insight of the people and their will for a change.
Then all sense and science shall be engaged on a broad level to prevent regain of corruption and lowly triviality, so that undisturbed working on adequacy for community and environment may take place.
Just think alone of an economical an educating system that would support careers tailored to talent. A system of production that fully realized and valued human power. Can you imagine what effects it would mean on peoples´ and production situation?
Just the industrial quality would literally explode already.
We would be flooded with genial makes and ideas!
Technological progress even far surpassing the current one, and constructive applications in heaps.
Within short time all what now looks like huge handicaps like energy supply or transport would become nobrainer.
Let aside countless of needless hardships under our dull pharaohnic treadmills.
You don´t need to be a visionary to understand what could be sans crops of evil and dumbness.
Ruphus
On global scale no doubt. Lets say, hypothetically, you are in power and position to get the ball rolling. Your first order of business be, education? Now, what to do with those impeding your progressive idea of forward movement? What are you to do with these groups of people that oppose your ideas, and resent that YOU think they are "evil and dumb", and would in fact defend their own idea they are NOT, to the death???
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Date Feb. 1 2013 15:36:55
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Ruphus
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RE: AE911Truth (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
On global scale no doubt. Lets say, hypothetically, you are in power and position to get the ball rolling. Your first order of business be, education? Now, what to do with those impeding your progressive idea of forward movement? What are you to do with these groups of people that oppose your ideas, and resent that YOU think they are "evil and dumb", and would in fact defend their own idea they are NOT, to the death???
Just what seems to be done now with extremists.
They are allowed of an opinion, but as they represent a small minority shall not feel provoked to engage in sabotage.
If they do, they will be pusued.
( Theoretically. Current reality with right wingers is that they are rather tolerated and even pampered by states. In Germany first time under some unspeakable routines throughout post WWII, things have become a tad more illuminated recently.)
Extremists for one, because of their opposing attitude against assumedly educated majority, but also on macro level. For advocating exploitation of fellow men and environment in fact is extremistical.
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ORIGINAL: Shroomy726
I was replying to Bill's last post, not yours.
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I treplied to that already.
Why does it appear important to you?
Sorry!
Ruphus
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Date Feb. 1 2013 15:53:32
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Ruphus
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RE: AE911Truth (in reply to XXX)
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Mezzo,
There is a lot of secrecy going on.
Secrecy and bribe to enable contracts to the disadvantage of states and municipal party ( draining of states budgets ).
Secrecy to defy an allegedly free market through contradictives like customs, price riggings and sequence of gradings with pricing, market shares and official deals.
Secrecy for lobbyism to tailoring laws for putting at disadvanatge consumers, to introduce irrational norms and routines and official requests for keeping competition out.
Secrecy for ordering yet the most odd of official edicts and labels to prevent product exclusion for hooch or poison, inspection of groceries, textiles ... etc.pp.
Secrecy indeed is excessive.
And thus not at last the times of DER SPIEGEL as a once truely investigatve editorial are long since over, while the press is seeing severe steps back into handicap and censoring since over 2 decades now.
What remains as actually open is the internet and our exchange here, which appears like being circled in for alterations as well however. ( Of which some have been officially rejected not long ago in the USA.)
Outlines for mirroring etc. seem to exist for a while already.
And where I am rumours about a mirroring system and actual intranet delivered by the Chinese are floating around. Sometimes, in view of certain weird phenomenons, almost appearing as if it could be in place already.
Anyway, in a insincere and injust economy secrecy means money. A very lot of money. It makes for an essential factor of the ways of econmizing that we live with.
- Even on side of the milked.
In Germany even little people make a fuzz about their income.
If they don´t employer won´t appreciate their openess, as it threatens to harm profits from labour.
Ruphus
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Date Feb. 1 2013 19:09:41
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