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bernd

 

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Small micro for guitar? 
Can anyone recommend a very small microphone that can easily be installed onto the guitar? In want to amplify on stage and dance studio without carrying a microphone stand. It´s also meant to record myself on the pc. The sound should be acceptable. I don´t want to use a built-in solution such as Fishman etc. so that I can use it for any guitar I want to play with. Any advice?

Thx in advance.

Saludos
Bernd

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2013 1:07:18
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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to bernd) 
bartlettmics.com/">http://www.bartlettmics.com/
There are some options here
Several foro members use these.
Great sounding high gain microphones that clip inside.
No complaints.

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britguy

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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to Guest) 
quote:

Several foro members use these.
Great sounding high gain microphones that clip inside.


Seconded!

I got one of these a couple of years ago, and it works really well. Ultra-compact. Just clips inside the soundhole on the bass side. Requires phantom power.

And if you have any questions or need advice, Bruce Bartlett is a great guy to deal with. He also has ( or had) a very usefull little booklet on 'sound for guitarists'.

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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to britguy) 
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Requires phantom power.


I also recommend the Bartlett microphone. There's a version with a small 9volt battery pack that clips onto your belt or in your pocket in case you can't rely on available phantom power.
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bernd

 

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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to orsonw) 
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ORIGINAL: orsonw

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Requires phantom power.


I also recommend the Bartlett microphone. There's a version with a small 9volt battery pack that clips onto your belt or in your pocket in case you can't rely on available phantom power.

Does this mean, the version with the battery can also be used without battery if phantom power is available?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2013 21:55:44
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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to bernd) 
No
It can only work withthe battery
However it can be hard wired to be wireless from the clip belt... So no cable.
But that means additional cost for a receiver ... And I've yet to know anyone whose tried this
But contact Bruce Bartlett .. Great person to deal with and quick with email response

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2013 22:26:45
 
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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to bernd) 
I use an audio technica pro 70.

Do not have knowledge about audio, but for performing it works perfect.
You can clip it easily without damage on the soundhole.

Here some info.


http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/e6f7342e8d1ceed3/index.html

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2013 22:58:16
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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to gerundino63) 
Having owned the audio technica and a silmiliar AKG product the Bartlett comes up trumps for a truer tone and more balanced frequency response...
Less problematic with feedback and much higher output...

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gerundino63

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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to Guest) 
Thanks for letting me know!
If I ever need another one I will try the Barlett!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2013 8:40:19
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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to gerundino63) 
Hi gerundino
I think the pro 70 is a better looking unit ...solid and well made
And works well at low volumes ...
The frustrating thing we found with it was the low end feedback in a performance environment...also didn't seem to bring out the sound of the guitar used.. Had its own sound regardless of the instrument
Feedback before gain ratio ...etc
The Bartlett clips on the inside of the sound hole as opposed to the outside...
Subtle difference of placement...but means a lot in performance.
And the gain output Is really noticeable between the two...also the mid range tones are beautifully balanced for the price
They both fall in a silmiliar price range...to me the Bartlett is a great mic of its type

Another option is the mini flex mic system
Two condenser microphones that work out of phase with each other thus eliminating bottom end feedback...
I have installed in my cheaper guitar but does involve drilling an end pin jack...
They have a flamenco model which attaches to the outside but it's damn ugly...

Dpa Microphones guess is the premium option but very pricey

All in all I would prefer a nuemann km 184 over anything else...just not always practical
The link is Jason McGuire ( a good friend of Fred Sanford ...where is he of late ?) testing the Bartlett and his review.http://youtu.be/QRoQAte9scY

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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to Guest) 
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ORIGINAL: AlVal
I think the pro 70 is a better looking unit ...solid and well made
And works well at low volumes ...
The frustrating thing we found with it was the low end feedback in a performance environment...also didn't seem to bring out the sound of the guitar used.. Had its own sound regardless of the instrument

The Bartlett clips on the inside of the sound hole as opposed to the outside...
Subtle difference of placement...but means a lot in performance.

They both fall in a silmiliar price range...to me the Bartlett is a great mic of its type


I have a Pro 70 too so I am interested in your direct comparison. Interesting what you are saying about the Pro70 having low end feedback, as it has that low end roll off which helps (though I use a Baggs Para Acoustic DI too.).

You find the Bartlett better even though it is fitted inside the guitar? That's a weird one to get my head round too as that's always the worst place to mic a guitar - feedback and EQ nightmares. Still, I keep hearing good things about these mics and don't doubt you.

Over here (UK) there *is* a price difference and the Bartlett is a lot more.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2013 12:29:07
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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to Blondie#2) 
The baggs certainly helps
I used the same set up through a aer for about a year
What I think is the marked difference is the midrange
Even with the roll off it still felt unbalanced along the mid range...
That cutting tone that goes with flamenco guitars
There are some specs that came with the mic but I've lost those some time ago
A considerable amount taken out of the bass response and putmore into the lower and high mids...
My friend still has my pro 70 so could try some sort of comparison and upload
Just not sure the recording medium will typify what happens live
I remember paying $180 au for the pro70 and $220 for the Bartlett
I think the baggs was around $350au
Sold the baggs and gave the pro70 to a friend

You do get a slight 'boxy' tone placing the mic inside the guitar
Pretty easy to eq depending on the sound reinforcement used... There's a lot of midrange to play around with
No real need for a pre amp unless more for di options

The other factor is the Bartlett sounds best at the top of the sound hole..,ie bass side... Where the pro 70 tends to placed treble side...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2013 13:00:15
 
bernd

 

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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to Guest) 
Thx a lot guys, you got me convinced. I´m already in touch with bruce :-)

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RE: Jason McGuires Bartlett mic set up (in reply to Guest) 
Thought I'd keep this in the same thread for obvious reasons.

I've just been watching Jason's Youtube demo -

Nice sound indeed. Looks like he has housed the mic, cable and battery pack inside the guitar with a tailpin jack socket so he can just plug in (I assume the cable attached to the underside of his guitar is part of the wireless system he is also demonstrating).

I am wondering where he has mounted the battery pack and how he can access it easily to change batteries. Anyone know?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 9 2013 13:03:54
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RE: Jason McGuires Bartlett mic set up (in reply to Blondie#2) 
We saw Jason's guitar last August when he came to Australia
From what I recall the battery was connected as part of the end pin jack on the inside of the guitar
Similar Idea to the mini flex system
I'm pretty sure this was how it was set up
The unit used to be listed on the Bartlett website as the internal system
To change battery required the jack to be unthreaded and removing from the inside of the guitar
Doesn't seem to be listed anymore.,,

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bernd

 

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RE: Jason McGuires Bartlett mic set up (in reply to Guest) 
No. He had let build it into the guitar by the luthier. The version is the typical one microphone, but there are several options. I´ve asked bruce for a way to have the jack close to the guitar and even muting the switch crack noise while the cable is connected into the jack socket. He provides my option. Jason´s version is not a special internal mic version. It´s just the same external one but placed inside of the guitar while building it.

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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to bernd) 
He's using something different now, he's a big mic swapper. I'll ask if he he will divulge his latest gear. It sounds really good.

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RE: Jason McGuires Bartlett mic set up (in reply to bernd) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: bernd
He had let build it into the guitar by the luthier.


Ok, so how does he change batteries? If that battery box is in the guitar, where is it mounted and how does he get to it?
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RE: Small micro for guitar? (in reply to bernd) 
He is using this rig these days:

http://stores.intuitwebsites.com/DSCreationsDonnell12345/-strse-2/MiniFlexMic-Model--dsh-1/Detail.bok

You don't have to build the guitar around it either, you slip it in the sound hole and bolt it though the tail block like regular 1/4" jack.

BTW Jason is teaching again on a limited basis if you live in the area. I think he is taking students one day a week. You can email to Caminos Flamencos and ask about it.

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RE: Jason McGuires Bartlett mic set up (in reply to Blondie#2) 
Exactly I don´t know how the battery exchange is to be done. There are different options for placing the battery box. You can replace the battery box to a jack socket and put the box at the end of the cable. So it´s not placed on the guitar

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