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RE: nino de pura (in reply to Mark2)
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I agree with you Ricardo, Paco is incredible. In his documentary you have Sanlucar, Tomatito, Viejin, Niño Ricardo though the story of his daughter etc. saying how good he is and how unique he is and what he has done for la guitarra flamenca. For me he is like Led Zeppelin where you have so much good songs that sound different but you know its Zeppelin whereas as the majority of the rest (Paco is not the only genius with awesome teqnique of course) sound like Aerosmith, they have good songs but ...haven't we heard something like this before? What do you think about Gitanos Andaluces? Isn't he using tradional key but in a very unique way? To me that piece is genius, who before him does thing like that? Saludos, German
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Date Oct. 13 2005 22:14:37
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RE: nino de pura (in reply to Guest)
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SORRY !!! I MEAN theme : CEPA ANDALUZA, from Fuente Y Caudal !! It was release in early 70s, before Riqueni Juego de Niños
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Date Oct. 13 2005 22:39:29
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RE: nino de pura (in reply to Guest)
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SORRY !!! I MEAN the theme : CEPA ANDALUZA, from Fuente Y Caudal !! It was release in early 70s, before Riqueni Juego de Niños . In my post before I said Gitanos Andaluces.
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Date Oct. 13 2005 22:49:30
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Florian
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I forghot what the original post was about but in the Franciso Sanchez dvd , the second disk, Rodrigues concert, the Solo, DUo, Trio part Banderas picado were nowhere near Canizares'es , i dont know recently but at that stage and in that concert Canizares picado stood out proabably even more then Paco's. If Canizares didnt play such weird modes all the time he would be up there, he would certanly get more recognition, hes faster and clearer then TOmatito, Vicente and many others. Not that any of this means anything at the end of the day, if your music says nothing
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Date Oct. 14 2005 2:53:38
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Ricardo
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Banderas picado were nowhere near Canizares'es , i dont know recently but at that stage and in that concert Canizares picado stood out proabably even more then Paco's. I feel the opposite. Canizares was fast, but did not have the controlled sound the other guys had. And there was one fast rumba, where Banderas took it up a notch in his improv solo and played a much faster rhythm than the other guys were doing with the picado. You almost don't realize it because he is so laid back and in the groove. I will find the spot again, but pretty much it was like the other guys did 16th triplets, and Banderas did 32nds. Also, in Zyrab, there was a reason why the speedy trade off's were done by Banderas. I have seen them both with Paco live. Canizares missed notes sometimes, but Banderas was half asleep playing it. But we are splitting hairs here, like which GOD of the guitar is the boss. My point is this: A lot of folks that like flamenco guitar, have their own tastes or whatever, fine. But why say Paco is not so great? I mean it is fine to say you don't like his work or whatever, but you like "so and so" better or he PLAYS better than Paco? Just keep in mind the list of Paco's biggest fans: Tomatito, Moraito, V.Amigo, Nunez, Canizares, E. de Melchor, Cepero, Chicuelo, Nino Josele, Banderas, M. Sanlucar, J. Conde, Grisha, Todd, etc.......... Ricardo
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Date Oct. 14 2005 8:57:57
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ORIGINAL: Guest SORRY !!! I MEAN the theme : CEPA ANDALUZA, from Fuente Y Caudal !! It was release in early 70s, before Riqueni Juego de Niños . In my post before I said Gitanos Andaluces. I didnt wrote that.
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Date Oct. 14 2005 9:08:07
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: nino de pura (in reply to Ron.M)
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Ron, I have never heard that John Williams ever makes errors, even in practice... but I have heard lots of crazy stories about how he never does. Supposedly Manuel Barrueco, another of the greats, went to his concert, and Williams afterwards asked him if he had liked it. "No," said Manuel. "No? Sorry..?" "I was waiting for you to make one, just one mistake, and you didn't!" Another story was that a composer I believe spent two weeks with Williams and never saw him pick up the guitar. Then he played a concert flawlessly at the end of that time. (Paco also claims not to practice in his biography by Paco Sevilla). Another story involves Elliot Fisk, a flashy player of a younger generation than Williams. He was asked a question that said that now that you and some other new players have surpassed the technique of John Williams, what's next? And Fisk replied that no one has ever surpassed John Williams' technique. Seems kind of like Paco, no?
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Date Oct. 14 2005 15:13:39
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