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Anders Eliasson

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Rumbas y los demás cosas.

Well here I will upload some typical Andalucian Rumbas. They are all considered Rumbas and they are not considered flamenco:
Here we go. Enjoy.

Los del rio... Super famous rumberos:

And here you have the real thing : el coro rociero. This is what you will find in village partys all over andalucia. For each flamenco you´ll find 100 of these. My village is full of them.

And one more. These are better. From a school:

Los delinqüentes... Here we are much more flamenco because they have invited their friends over to have a smoke.

And finally Estopa. They are really big in Spain. They are from Cataluña

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Leñador

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

The Coro Rociero's seem to be the most tolerable but I'm still not feelin it. Los Del Rio?!?!.........ugh, i was so glad when the macarena died.....and Thomasito irritates me.
I'd love to hear what people would call good flamenco rumba, other then entre dos aguas, that's maybe my least favorite Paco song..........next to his latin american covers. It is fun to jam with friends though, like baseball, fun to play, not to watch....sorry.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

An important thing is that most if not all the musicians that I have posted, will tell you that they dont play flamenco. Some might even say that they dont like flamenco.
I,m not the one to judge. Its their culture. I,m just writing what I,ve been told by the people living and playing here.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 18:59:02

Ricardo

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Flamenco:

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tele

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

quote:

For each flamenco you´ll find 100 of these. My village is full of them.

I'll be there!!

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FredGuitarraOle

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to tele)

quote:

I'll be there!!

I bet you'll be there, but not for the music...

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Leñador

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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Flamenco:

A lot better then what Anders posted, tough to hear the guitar though. The singing is definitely more like Cante which is cool.

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bursche

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Leñador)

Flamencos love it, flamencos sing it, sounds very flamenco...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 21:40:53

bursche

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to bursche)

very flamenco:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 21:46:21

bursche

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to bursche)

I consider this flamenco, it's a juerga classic:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 21:49:21

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Leñador)

"quote:

Flamenco:

A lot better then what Anders posted, tough to hear the guitar though. The singing is definitely more like Cante which is cool"

I totally agree. What I posted was not something that I like, but something that is considered rumbas but NOT flamenco.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 22:03:38

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to bursche)

"I consider this flamenco, it's a juerga classic: "

bursche, call it what ever you like, but here, its NOT considered to be flamenco. It,ll be called pop music or rumbas.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 22:06:56

bursche

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

At least in Granada and Sevilla it is

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 22:14:06

mezzo

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

great vids bursche. You consider rocayisa has a rumba feel? I always seen it labeled as tangos.

quote:

bursche, call it what ever you like, but here, its NOT considered to be flamenco. It,ll be called pop music or rumbas.

I would consider this flamenco too
Coz for me the cante structure follow the same melodic progression than the tientos/tangos. If you listen properly to the letras you'll recognize some that are use in 'classic' flamenco tune.

It's not like in most of the rumba catalana where the melody evolve basically between 2 chords.
Look at this Peret vids (anthologic baile at 2'00)

Now here's an another rumba vid where IMO there's the flamenco harmonical progression like in the bursche one). There's also some cliché that could perfectly fit in tangos (alli alli oh and such kind of stuff).
So for me it's flamenco. (there's also some good baile in it)

These 2 vids show IMO that rumba field is not homogeneous. At least not for me...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 22:45:48

bursche

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to mezzo)

This gitana cantando flamenco vid is as flamenco as it gets. Flamenco isn't just jondo stuff. Any of the young flamencos I know would agree. Don't know about the old guys in the Huelva mountains, though. They might be a bit more conservative about this topic.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 23:18:08

Erik van Goch

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to bursche)

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ORIGINAL: bursche

very flamenco:

that's probably why this is called tangos :-)

...which does not mean to say rumba can't sound very flamenco as well when played "the flamenco way". Actually i'm not always sure myself if something should be called rumba or tangos and i guess they can blend to a certain extend depending on the melodies and the kind of swing you apply.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 23:25:06

bursche

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Erik van Goch)

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this is called tangos :-)

Nah, you would at least have to make it rumba-tangos.
Way too fast for tangos and the cante is rather untypical.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 10 2013 23:30:22

Erik van Goch

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to bursche)

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ORIGINAL: bursche

quote:

this is called tangos :-)

Nah, you would at least have to make it rumba-tangos.
Way too fast for tangos and the cante is rather untypical.

I rest my case...when things goth mixed it's all in the ears of the beholder.... :-)

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guitarbuddha

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to mezzo)

The Peret screams Cuba.

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Erik van Goch

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to guitarbuddha)

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The Peret screams Cuba.

This beautiful compilation (showing Carmen Amaya's travels) also includes a rumba that reveals it's south american link in the melody.

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Leñador

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I like that video of the gitana chic that mezzo posted, when she hit the high note it gave me chills.

Nice one also Erik, so there is rumbas that are appealing to me....

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guitarbuddha

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Erik van Goch)

Fats Waller Ole, mui flamenco.

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Erik van Goch

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Leñador)

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ORIGINAL: Lenador

Nice one also Erik, so there is rumbas that are appealing to me....

My father's band performed melodies like this quite a lot in the fifties (not necessarily as a rumba).

It's funny that the Gipsy kings (who made a perfect rumba record in 1987) had huge successes in America by basically returning the music that people like Carmen Amaya helped escape "the americas". In the 70ties they had a huge world-wide (pre Gypsy Kings) hit with this song performed with father Jose Reyes (who before joined forces with the equally illustrious Manitas de Plata)

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Erik van Goch

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I totally love this one:

or in spanish

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FredGuitarraOle

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Erik van Goch)

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I totally love this one

You gotta be kidding me...

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Erik van Goch

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to FredGuitarraOle)

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ORIGINAL: FredGuitarraOle

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I totally love this one

You gotta be kidding me...

No :-)

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Leñador

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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I totally love this one:

Sorry Erik, you lost me there

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FredGuitarraOle

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Erik van Goch)

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No :-)

Haha, I thought you were.

I have nothing against that, it's just I can't stand this one. When I was a kid I had to listen to this so many times at school...

I guess I got traumatized...

But at least with this one there is no doubt. This one is definitely NOT flamenco.
And I dare say that Anders will shoot anyone who says it is.

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Erik van Goch

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to FredGuitarraOle)

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ORIGINAL: FredGuitarraOle

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No :-)

Haha, I thought you were. I have nothing against that, it's just I can't stand this one. When I was a kid I had to listen to this so many times at school... I guess I got traumatized...

I mostly heart it at my work (sorting out post as a postman)...every time it was on the radio i stopped for a couple of minutes to enjoy it...it actually was 1 of the very few "modern day" top 40 singles i was tempted to buy over the years (songs like eternal flame, it's all about the money).

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mezzo

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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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Don't know about the old guys in the Huelva mountains, though. They might be a bit more conservative about this topic.

El Cabrero.
Ask him to sing una rumbita and there are some chance that he tries to hit you with his stick shepherd

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