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RE: New album by Vicente Amigo
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Bulerias2005
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 RE: New album by Vicente Amigo (in reply to KMMI77)
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It just goes to show that Vicente is a such a humble guy, and a great all round open minded musician. Im just picturing him at the rehearsal in the above video saying to the other musicians. This is,
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kinda boring
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but the chord progression is way too predictable.
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It's nice and beautiful, but maybe just a bit too simple and straightforward.
Come on guys, He is having to work in with a bunch of musicians. A nice chord progression with lots of space gives all that room for tasteful orchestration.
He did a great job coming up with that progression IMO. And who knows if he had other melodies that the other musicians already knew, that he had to work around? What are they supposed to play? Some complicated fast falsetas in unison with a key change every 20 seconds to show how cool they are?
Flamenco or not I still prefer it to lots of "traditional" flamenco that's been recorded.
I was referring more to the theory underlying the chord progression -- in some places it's cleverly voiced in terms of the guitar harmonies, but I'm hearing a lot of 2-5-1. It's not terribly difficult to orchestrate something over a 2-5-1 progression. Someone posted a Piazzolla video earlier, and actually Piazzolla had a lot of very harmonically interesting pieces where he had to work with 5 or 6 people in a band. It can work. And actually, the music in the Vicente studio video sounds much more interesting than "Roma". Maybe it's intended to be one of the more 'easy-listening' tracks, which would make sense since it's the one they're using to advertise the album.
P.S. I know this is only tangentially related, but the Brazilian musician Hermeto Pascoal is my personal favorite when it comes to orchestrating harmonically dense music for multi-instrument ensembles. Check his stuff out, it's very good music!
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Date Jan. 11 2013 1:58:38
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Doitsujin
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RE: New album by Vicente Amigo (in reply to tele)
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ok I listened to it more and like it each time even more. Its well structured, building up in phases. really good.
One thing in life is..you recognize only significant things whereas you don´t see things u r used to, even if they are good. And within things that significantly moved your feelings.. you remember more the bad things than the good things. Thats a problem... because it makes most people blind, not able to appreciate, what good things there are and were.
The good thing about this song especially for me is, after thinking through, that there is no singer popping in for like 5 sec, shouting like ****, destroying the harmony, making me doing ugly faces, getting headache, making me think in a loop "why the heck can´t some damn singers just SHUT IT?!", making it difficult for me to show my friends, who are unexperienced with flamenco showing em good stuff, good music.."because shouting isn´t good" and because they cant handle that ugly shouting... (e.g. duquende and all singers of the new rosario CD, especially in tangos and the one in the middle of "hermanos"....man these shouters make my fingernails roll up...horrible). In short, its so good because Vicente spared out the ugly voices! :)
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Date Jan. 12 2013 11:18:20
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RE: New album by Vicente Amigo (in reply to Doitsujin)
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ok I listened to it more and like it each time even more. Its well structured, building up in phases. really good.
One thing in life is..you recognize only significant things whereas you don´t see things u r used to, even if they are good. And within things that significantly moved your feelings.. you remember more the bad things than the good things. Thats a problem... because it makes most people blind, not able to appreciate, what good things there are and were.
The good thing about this song especially for me is, after thinking through, that there is no singer popping in for like 5 sec, shouting like ****, destroying the harmony, making me doing ugly faces, getting headache, making me think in a loop "why the heck can´t some damn singers just SHUT IT?!", making it difficult for me to show my friends, who are unexperienced with flamenco showing em good stuff, good music.."because shouting isn´t good" and because they cant handle that ugly shouting... (e.g. duquende and all singers of the new rosario CD, especially in tangos and the one in the middle of "hermanos"....man these shouters make my fingernails roll up...horrible). In short, its so good because Vicente spared out the ugly voices! :)
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Thats why outside Andalucia, where this type of singing is a part of culture, only weird people like flamenco.
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Date Jan. 12 2013 12:58:55
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rombsix
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Agreed Kris that he is flattening the finger. The D chord he does play on the second fret. I blame Paco Navarro for mixing my brain up on that one. I was playing it like Vicente in my earlier tutorial, but the image of Navarro got stuck in my brain and I copied his way. I agree also about the dragging versus m+a right hand technique. I did the tutorial without reviewing the video (especially the one you pointed out), and I also realize that the A chord I am playing in the middle of the fretboard is also not identical to the way Vicente does it. However, I am trying to be more of an "80-20 rule" kind of guy nowadays because after years of being quite anal and trying to come up with stuff "100% accurately", now I am realizing that that might not be the most cost-effective thing to do in regards to my time. If it would have taken me 20 minutes to review the video and get the voicings exactly like Vicente, I probably would have missed the chance of being able to put in 20 more minutes in preparing for Monday's work day by reading about my patients. I guess I'm starting to have to become less of a perfectionist and more of a realist. If the viewers of the video tutorial of mine get lost because of the differences (which likely they won't notice) we both recounted, that would be the least of my worries. Once someone starts paying me to make these tutorials, I'll go back to being as anal as I was in the past. And even then, I'm not sure I'll do what I used to try doing some years ago because this is music and this is life and this is flamenco and many-a-time the artists/composers themselves never give the same performance identically twice.
Cheers my friend, and thanks for the comments!
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. So, I think this album will be a mix of flamenco and some northwest traditional folk music(Galician/Asturian). But as I said I might be wrong though.
