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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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 RE: About to quit the smoke (in reply to Ruphus)
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ORIGINAL: Ruphus
Hehehe, funny strategy, Richard. 
I agree, Bill, pipe tobaccos can be smelling nice.
Cigarillos, but more even cigars do often times outright stink, some even literally like feeces.
Ruphus
For at least 25 years I have only smoked out of doors, and seldom in groups of any size. I can't remember when I have smoked around strangers.
Decades ago I was told that the cigars I occasionally smoked smelled pleasant to bystanders. But there were certainly cigars smoked by others which I found offensive.
Asking people to stop smoking can be risky. Long ago a group of us were at Anthony's Pier 4, a nice seafood restaurant in Boston. Chuck, a large red haired Boston Irishman, lit a cigarette with his coffee after dessert. A man at the next table turned and said, "Would you please put that out? We're trying to eat here."
Giving the guy a dirty look, Chuck stubbed out his cigarette. Conversation went on. The people at the next table finished their meal. The guy who had asked Chuck to put out his cigarette lit a small cigar.
Chuck stood up. Without a word he grabbed the cigar smoker's shirt front, hauled him to his feet and stunned him with an uppercut to the chin.
As the guy sank to the floor, I put enough money on the table to cover the bill and a tip, and announced., "I have the car keys. I'm leaving now."
There were five of us. As it happened, all of us were over six feet tall, and none weighed less than 200 pounds. No one attempted to impede our departure.
The parking attendants were admirably prompt in bringing the car. No cops showed up before we drove away.
I had played with Chuck in fair size poker games when we visited Kwajalein on business. Few of the players were complete strangers to us, but there were some at times. A noticeable amount of whisky went down at these games. Chuck reacted to both good and bad luck at cards with good natured sportsmanship.
After the restaurant incident I never had more than one drink with Chuck in a public place. When around strangers with him I always observed carefully for any slgn of incipient violence. But his reaction to the cigar smoker was so sudden I don't think I could have anticipated what would happen.
RNJ
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Date May 26 2013 18:41:24
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Ruphus
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RE: About to quit the smoke (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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Flying visit or return; dunno.
Quitting has been 2 years and 4 months now. - Or maybe just two years, depending on what´s to happen.
I don´t know whether it´s been connected to the experience in late autumn last year of having been arrested in a Middle Eastern police jail ( in unfurnished rooms on plain tiled flloor with a lose ~ 2mm felt rag on it, with cooped up folks at about less than a square meter per head, everyone sharing a blanket with several individuals, and without meals), after having been sued by an animal torturer for allegedly having broken his jaw twice ... or for the blend of an overall depressing global situation with the individual mess ... or whatever.
( Main court to be these days, with the law planing a 30 000$ equivalent compensation for the sueing scum.)
But fact is that I, after complete abstinence, yet regularly tempting desire, started taking a puff some two or three months ago. Only two or three drags a time before I let the cigarette go out again.
First, having a single cigarette consumed over four or five sessions, and over the course of maybe 10 to 14 days. Meanwhile with a cigarette lasting over 4 or 5 days. All in all I estimate to have consumed some 5 or six cigarettes over the past months.
Don´t know if I can manage to keep it at such a sparse consumption, but these little fills sure feel so well. Those couple of puffs trigger such a nice flash on blood pressure, that it feels as if you were floating for a second.
Now this is with nasty old tobacco crumbs. Don´t know if I could hold back this way if it was about tasty fresh fibers.
To my original conviction, once you drag again you are in for returning to smoking again. But currently there is too little of spoiling in my life, and I only hope to not return to regular smoking again. ( Which should be hard to do anyway, as Tobacco and less even of the brands I prefer has become more than hard to find here, and last time I checked were at close to 20$ per 50g package / now who knows at what price level.)
Thought to report on my inglorious status quo after all that foregone renunciation.
Ruphus
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Date Jan. 27 2015 12:21:35
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Ruphus
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RE: About to quit the smoke (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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Hi Tele,
That is all true, and I think that it was mentioned in this thread before.
Those additives are meant to make addict, and they are responsible for vast of damage through smoking; further for extremely bad taste ( every time I try premade cigarettes - with the exception of one single brand - I wonder how people endure that acrid flavor) and for that incredibly bad smelling and penetrating smoke.
Just days ago, I had to make an exception from my otherwise smokers tolerating premise, and ask my neighbour to please stop smoking in my car. Because that chemical smoke of premade cigarettes produces a sticky, stinking layer that won´t evaporate.
What cigars / pipes are concerned, I think we mentioned as well the fact that those are meant to not be inhaled ( which is why I had to give up on my trial with pipe smoking from decades ago, as I am simply incapable of not inhaling). From there, there is much less absorption of the smokes substances in the lungs with cigars & pipe smoking.
However, it does not mean a reduced concerogen potential. In the opposite: The higher concentration of smoke on a smaller surface of mucous membrane results in higher risk of cancer in mouth and throat.
Ruphus
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Date Jan. 27 2015 19:52:58
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gj Michelob
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RE: About to quit the smoke (in reply to tele)
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I am pleased to report that after 4 decades of 2-3 pack a day, I replaced them vile cigarettes with Vapour, since Thanksgiving. The odds were more favorable to a Martian team winning the football world-cup than to me quitting cigarettes.
I now love "vaping". Over these two months, I reduced the nicotine content from 24 to 18, then12 and now to 9mg.
I am using an ePipe, which to me is less of a frigid device than those metal atomizer -to each his own, after all, I am an old man.
It is helping me wean myself out of the nic addiction, along with the other alkaloids and chemicals I needed in cigarettes. It is a reduced risk, but still a vice, I concede. However, I no longer cough nor do I whistle involuntarily in my sleep; generally, I feel significantly better.
I am very pleased. You may want to consider it.
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Date Jan. 27 2015 20:41:55
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Johnc
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From: UK
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RE: About to quit the smoke (in reply to Ruphus)
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Hi Ruphus
Welcome back!, just to give you my experience as an ex smoker :)
I have smoked on and off through most of my adult life, when I was smoking it would be a pack of Marlboro a day.
I gave up for about 5-6 years, sometime ago (can't recall the exact dates, but I gave up "cold turkey"), but eventually started again. At the time I was still quite young, and I may have started again because it was "cool", or because I wanted to impress my boss (who was a smoker). I would still get the urge, after the 5 or so years, especially in a smoky pub, or whenever there was stress, or whenever I would convince myself that there was nothing else quite like that first smoke in the morning.
anyways I started again like I'd never stopped.
I eventually stopped again, I can't recall exactly, but more than ten years ago.
I can't tell you the exact reasons why I stopped, probably a mix of things.. Health , wealth, family.. the usual reasons, why people try to stop. Again I just gave it up with no "chemical" support.
I saw an advert on tv from the government helping on giving up, it was a simple advert from an ex smoker he simply said (and I paraphrase here) "the urge when you get it, only lasts a minute"
This was a revelation to me, (not least because it's true!) and I used this to help me through.
I can tell you now, after all these years , that I do not miss it at all, and I no longer get any urges to smoke.
As far as the vaping thing goes..
I'm pretty sure that I recall that nicotine patches/gums whatever never really helped anyone give up...
I'm also pretty sure that most people who smoke don't die of cancer, but of circulatory disease (and if they don't die of it, they are seriously debilitated by it)
If you look back in time to when the nicotine patches where prevalent, there was always a warning that you needed to apply the patches to different parts of the body, this is because nicotine is an endothelial cell toxin, and will kill your skin cells. This also applies to the cells lining your arteries, and the nicotine in cigarettes (and vaping) causes damage to these cells leading to the formation of atherosclerotic plaques, and eventually to either the blocking of the artery and/or to the formation aneurisms.... You can see where this is going ...
Of course "vaping" is better than smoking, (burning anything will creat all those horrible chemicals we have heard about) but it is not the completely safe thing that many people think it is.
There's nothing like an "ex-smoker"
;)
Take care
John
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Date Jan. 28 2015 1:01:10
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gj Michelob
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From: New York City/San Francisco
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RE: About to quit the smoke (in reply to Ruphus)
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Giaccomo,
I just clicked on your picture link.
Got a link to the product?
Ruphus
The Pic was that of my ePipe, wasn't it?
In general, there are a few adjustments one must make in order to increase the effectiveness of the eCigarette experience and -above all- to reduce the risks (minor as they maybe) involved. I will give a shorthand review for those who are interested.
1. I vape a custom made juice from a microbrewery. It is based on a natural Tobacco extract. While the extract does not import any of the Tobacco's alkaloids, including Nicotine, it certainly makes the vapour taste and smell like the most fragrant Pipe Tobacco (I am partial to the English Blends -Latakia, Virginia, Perique). Nicotine is added, in the desired percentage.
2. The most advanced devices are such mostly because they allow us to build ourselves the critical parts of the atomizer, the "coil" (a wrapped wire) that heats the cotton (the Wick that absorb the juice) vaporizing it. Choosing the finest of both materials, not only results in a tremendous savings, but in a cleaner and better "vape" (Incidentally, this word was officially added to the Oxford Dictionary in 2015 and voted "word of the year").
3. One thing to remember, Nicotine absorption through vapour is slower than through smoke, especially in one's lungs. Exhaling through the nose proves more effective, but nicotine absorption may take 30 mins with vaping as opposed to a few seconds with smoking.
4. A few studies are now showing some possible cancerogenous effects in Vaping. However, to reach this alarming result the same studies are based on the fragile premise that overheating the atomizer for ridiculous lengths of time causes the dangerous chemical reaction.
For me, Cigarettes have played an important role in my life, and I attribute my ability to achieve certain goals to the calming and exciting effects they can have. However, it has not been a balanced relationship, but a very dangerous slavery.
I am using my ePipe to wean myself out of nicotine addiction . The progress I have seen in decreasing the amount I need is most encouraging.
Vaping (if done properly) is such a pleasure, that after only two months I now cannot stand the odorous scent of cigarettes, and can't imagine clients and friends have tolerated my such "scent" over the years.
If you smoke, you know you should not. I say "vape your way out of it"
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