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dformell

 

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The Cultural Origins Of The Modern G... 
Hello Everybody,

The subject of this post was uploaded more than a year ago and could only viewed from the foro flamenco website. Though it could be downloaded the process was somewhat cumbersome, i.e. downloading 1 page at a time. The whole article can now be viewed and downloaded here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/107878546/The-Cultural-Origins-Of-The-Modern-Guitar-by-R-E-Brune
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TANúñez

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to dformell) 
Thanks for posting this!

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estebanana

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to dformell) 
Bumping this thread so everyone can reevaluate the document by R.E. Brune' regarding guitar and flamenco origins.

This may be appropriate reading to accompany the Early Rondena thread.


The attachments are on this thread but you have to grab them one by one sorry:

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=168269&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=origins&tmode=&smode=&s=#169009

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to dformell) 
I get a message giving me three options to subscribe to scribd if I want want to download the file.
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estebanana

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to dformell) 
Oh, we have another version on the foro. Why did scribed grab that, it used to be free.

I put them in my post above yours.

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to dformell) 
Thanks.
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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to dformell) 
Brune is well worth reading on this matter...
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estebanana

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to dformell) 
The essay Cultural Origins of the Modern Guitar By R.E. Brune' has been posted her on the Foro for a few years, it is a great essay concerning the flamenco guitar. The format it is posted in is a large difficult to read Jpeg series.In the interest of making this information more accessible I have reduced and collated the Jpegs here on the Foro and converted them into a merged PDF file that is small enough to email as a regular attachment.

Anyone wishing to read this more convenient version can send me an email or Private Message and I will arrange to send it to you as an email attachment. If you request to read the essay PDF please also post here that you wish to have it as a reminder to me to check my inbox.

The author has grated full permission to Foro members to receive this PDF and for this essay to be posted on the Foro. I hope if the tme and space is available that perhaps members will request the essay be hosted on the Foro so it can be downloaded directly by members.

In the mean time I am happy to distribute the PDF version. Please contact me if you would like to receive the essay.

Thank you,
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Estevan

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to estebanana) 
There is a PDF version of this article available here:
https://josswinn.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Brune-1997-COMG.pdf

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BarkellWH

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to Estevan) 
Excellent recommendation to read Brune's article. Very interesting. I would recommend it to all who have not read it. It even touches on the origins of the term "flamenco" and tracks with the subject researched and discussed in depth by Konstantin and Ricardo in another thread.

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Ricardo

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to BarkellWH) 
The quote about Borrows is misleading. As Piwin and I point out he claims they are known as flemings that being confused for Germans, “in various parts” of Spain … and by that he means by average joe Spaniard …. He makes a clear distinction about what they call THEMSELVES, and it is never “somos flamencos” in his two books. Only in the song, transmitted from memory by sevillano Manuel to borrows, from supposedly a source compiled by Luis lobo in book form from 1800 or around that time, for the secret group “los del Afición”, in a single stanza (or two of same song?) the phrase “Flamenca de Roma” is used.

Also the description of guitar play and singing and compas in both Borrows books is documented evidence of what seems exactly like our flamenco music by both gypsy and non gypsy individuals, several years before the Murciano encounter.

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to Ricardo) 
quote:

The quote about Borrows is misleading. As Piwin and I point out he claims they are known as flemings that being confused for Germans, “in various parts” of Spain … and by that he means by average joe Spaniard …


Yup, I was about to write something like this. Big difference when you look at what is claimed and what is actually written in the primary source. BTW this is why I wanted to find as many of the primary sources as I could so we don't have to rely on retellings



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BarkellWH

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to Ricardo) 
quote:

The quote about Borrows is misleading. As Piwin and I point out he claims they are known as flemings that being confused for Germans, “in various parts” of Spain … and by that he means by average joe Spaniard …. He makes a clear distinction about what they call THEMSELVES, and it is never “somos flamencos” in his two books. Only in the song, transmitted from memory by sevillano Manuel to borrows, from supposedly a source compiled by Luis lobo in book form from 1800 or around that time, for the secret group “los del Afición”, in a single stanza (or two of same song?) the phrase “Flamenca de Roma” is used.


Got it, thanks. Nevertheless, I think the overall piece by Brune is interesting.

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kitarist

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to BarkellWH) 
quote:

Nevertheless, I think the overall piece by Brune is interesting.


It is very interesting, no question, and thanks to estevan for finding the handy pdf. Just this one bit was in need of correction as we have the primary source. It is cool to see how the different pieces and investigations fit together.

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estebanana

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to kitarist) 
Brune’ sent me his original file of 20 plus pages of photo files. They were huge files. I reduced them in size and gathered them into one PDF that was small enough in size to be sent in one email. The files I got from him were so big it took three or four emails to send! 😂

But I think the main point of his essay is less about the origin of the word flamenco, but more about how flamenco contributed to the development of the guitar. With the emphasis on how there becomes a cultural schism between ‘classical’ and flamenco guitars. And he takes great care to set the history to a more real time line of development which disproves the early to mid 20th century revisionist history by the Segovites.

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Ricardo

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RE: The Cultural Origins Of The Mode... (in reply to estebanana) 
For guitar history everything in the article is great. The issue with reading Borrows book is of minor consequence and if the song letra is the interpretation, his statement is not “wrong”, but since it tied in to recent investigations, clarification was in order.

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