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n85ae
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 RE: I don't play Flamenco (in reply to KMMI77)
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This is very simplistic to say, "they all practice a lot". Ok perhaps gift from God
is bad phrase. However being biological creatures, we are NOT all the same.
It is known that interconnection in the brain for example is different from one
person to another (synapses). Clearly a science still underway, however what
makes a serial killer a serial killer? What makes a Michael Jordan what he is? A
lot ofthe right biological things that come together and wire them the way they
are. In effect Paco, etc. they got the brain synapses package installed at birth
that get's them the Flamenco Level X ability. Of course that's just the hardware
so they still need to practice to program in the "what to do when" part.
How many people in the entire world of humanity may have Flamenco Synapses
Package X installed but have never even held a guitar? Give them one and train them
and maybe Paco steps down and say - It's yours now Maestro.
Nobody who's working hard to learn this stuff wants to say, hmm maybe I
only got Flamenco Synapses Package III, but it's a fact that most people will
fall into that category.
You think Grisha just practices a lot ... Really? No f-ing way, he's got more
than practice in there.
The simple fact is that some of us, no matter how hard we practice, and how
much we diligently learn, will EVER get to that level. Because we do not have
the same CPU and Memory moduiles they have. You're kidding yourself if
you think proper practice, and enough of it can get you there.
That's not to say you cannot become a really good guitar player, or have a
great time at it. Just that 99% of us are not no matter what gonna become
the next Paco. Because we aren't built that way.
Does that discourage me? No, it doesn't, because I recognize that I can
become good within my own capacity. It's just a simple reality check that
No - I don't have Package Level X installed.
Plus another aspect of this is - Well we're playing music for entertainment.
Playing for your own enjoyment, and to entertain the people around you IS
actually enough in itself.
It's still hot here in Chicago, so there's my morning Rant. Plus I gotta go
do my daily 20 miles on the bike, fully realizing I don't have Tour De France
Package X installed either.
Jeff
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Date Jul. 6 2012 14:59:21
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Mark2
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From: San Francisco
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RE: I don't play Flamenco (in reply to n85ae)
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Barry Bonds was asked about the advantage steriods may have given players, implying that he of course was one of them. Barry said that yes, he did have a huge advantage over other players, the advantage was his dad, Bobby Bonds, a great pro baseball player. That makes a lot of sense to me. The advantage of a pro baseball player, teaching his son from the very beginning, showing him the correct techniques, teaching him things others may not learn until they get to the pros, if ever.
Same with PdL, his dad raised him to be a pro, surrounded him with professional flamencos, and gave him every opportunity he could to further that singular goal. Paco is a product of not only that very rare preparation and opportunity, but also his own determination and natural ability. All the elements coming together to produce the finest flamenco guitarist yet.
For people to think anyone can equal that sort of mastery if they work hard enough is not realistic IMO. Can anyone? No. Can some? Absolutely.
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ORIGINAL: n85ae
This is very simplistic to say, "they all practice a lot". Ok perhaps gift from God
is bad phrase. However being biological creatures, we are NOT all the same.
It is known that interconnection in the brain for example is different from one
person to another (synapses). Clearly a science still underway, however what
makes a serial killer a serial killer? What makes a Michael Jordan what he is? A
lot ofthe right biological things that come together and wire them the way they
are. In effect Paco, etc. they got the brain synapses package installed at birth
that get's them the Flamenco Level X ability. Of course that's just the hardware
so they still need to practice to program in the "what to do when" part.
How many people in the entire world of humanity may have Flamenco Synapses
Package X installed but have never even held a guitar? Give them one and train them
and maybe Paco steps down and say - It's yours now Maestro.
Nobody who's working hard to learn this stuff wants to say, hmm maybe I
only got Flamenco Synapses Package III, but it's a fact that most people will
fall into that category.
You think Grisha just practices a lot ... Really? No f-ing way, he's got more
than practice in there.
The simple fact is that some of us, no matter how hard we practice, and how
much we diligently learn, will EVER get to that level. Because we do not have
the same CPU and Memory moduiles they have. You're kidding yourself if
you think proper practice, and enough of it can get you there.
That's not to say you cannot become a really good guitar player, or have a
great time at it. Just that 99% of us are not no matter what gonna become
the next Paco. Because we aren't built that way.
Does that discourage me? No, it doesn't, because I recognize that I can
become good within my own capacity. It's just a simple reality check that
No - I don't have Package Level X installed.
Plus another aspect of this is - Well we're playing music for entertainment.
Playing for your own enjoyment, and to entertain the people around you IS
actually enough in itself.
It's still hot here in Chicago, so there's my morning Rant. Plus I gotta go
do my daily 20 miles on the bike, fully realizing I don't have Tour De France
Package X installed either.
Jeff
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Date Jul. 6 2012 17:27:00
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Florian
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Joined: Jul. 14 2003
From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: I don't play Flamenco (in reply to Mark2)
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This is very simplistic to say, "they all practice a lot". Ok perhaps gift from God
is bad phrase. However being biological creatures, we are NOT all the same.
It is known that interconnection in the brain for example is different from one
person to another (synapses). Clearly a science still underway, however what
makes a serial killer a serial killer? What makes a Michael Jordan what he is?
ok forgive me i am gonna be 100% blunt about my feelings on the subject because i been tip towing around it ..and dont take it personally, i dont wanna presume what you do or you dont...this is not aimed at you...but in general ...I actually i think this other way of looking at it or describe it, its a simplistic excuse one gives to himself for failure, its a convenient way of settling for mediocrity ...nicely dressed in " i am humble" or
"i am a realist" clothes...
"Oh hes just got a gift" " Oh il never get to that no matter how much i practice so i might as well take it easy"
its just a bul*lshit excuse for not trying hard enough or accepting failure
If i fail, when i fail at least i know exactly why i am failing and who is responsible i dont need to lie to myself .
what makes a serial killer a serial killer...perhaps circumstances ....chemical imbalance in the brain, childhood....each serial killer is different.... i dont know...or is it a gift from god ?
what makes Michael Jordan him ? perhaps he played more than anyone else as a kid...practiced a lot , looked at, practiced and perfected certain aspects of his game...i am sure he did sitt at home watching dvds and eating popcorn's all day cause he had "the gift"
what makes Paco de Lucia play like Paco de Lucia...his dad locked him in his room as a kid 10 hours a day to practice...so he practiced more than anyone else...its why his technique was unmatched
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