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Kevin
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I saw Todd's post about online lessons and thought I would respond.
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Very good idea. Flamenco harmony is alot less, for lack of a better word at the moment, predictable than
jazz harmony in my opinion. Its hard to nail it all the way down. Thats the compelling thing about flamenco harmony. Alot of times, it seems like anything goes and that its more about the presentation and execution that makes it sound "Flamenco".
So that would be a challenge, but it would make for some great lessons.
Great thoughts, thank you!!
Flamenco Harmony is very predictable up to a point (Jose Manuel Leon, Antonio Rey, Canizares) if you know some basic "classical" theory and some jazz theory.
My site is going live within the next two weeks. Now that I am done with the "taking class" phase of my doctorate I have time to spend practicing and developing lessons.
The site is designed to be very practical and immediately.
The first eight lessons are
1) Learning the fretboard
2) Scales in Flamenco - C major, Am (Nat, Melodic, Harmonic), E phrygian (Nat, Phrygian Dominant, Phrygian Octatonic)
3) Modes - I discuss all the above scales and the modes generated by them, what a mode is and can be, I give two exercises on each mode meant to help in making your playing more interesting
4) Basic Chord Construction - Basic triads generated by the scales in each system Maj/Min/Phrygian
5) Seventh Chords in each system
6) The Phrygian Cadence and Sequences in Flamenco - Diatonic
7) Modern approaches to the phrygian cadence
8) To be determined
EDIT: July 3, 2012
Each of these lessons costs $3-8 and includes combinations of PDFs, audio, and video. I will also be focusing on ear training. I have singer(s) that will be recording audio for your listening pleasure and practice. His/her material will then be expounded upon in lessons that discuss how to accompany. END EDIT.
There will be several other surprises. Stay tuned.
Also, I will offer a transcription service.
Rules are simple $3-10 depending on length and density of falseta.
Includes video lesson at 1/2 and 3/4 speed. I WILL NOT DO WHOLE PIECES. Two falsetas por palo. See the site for more details.
Three transcriptions will be available immediately
2nd falseta from Nino Joseles Estirpe
Tangos by Manuel Parilla chico found on Vicente Sotos Estar Alegre Cd
Tangos from Jose Carlos Romero on Marina Heredia's first CD
If anyone wants to make any recommendations they will be welcome. I will also have a blog to compliment the lessons. You can read or avoid like the plague as you desire lol. The lessons are practical, the blog will be historical and cultural filler and there will be a forum.
4See ya soon.
Oh yeah, flamenco Chord Encyclopedia based on chord progressions used in flamenco. Chords alone are useless unless you understand how they all fit together.
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Date Jun. 19 2012 21:50:51
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Kevin
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RE: FlamencoGuitarTheory.com (in reply to NormanKliman)
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I found most of your "contributions" to the forum to be alarmingly inaccurate and disturbingly inconsistent. I guess deleting them just made good sense.
Hi Norman. I didn't just copy a book someone else wrote (no offense). I research and correct my errors when I find new sources and/or information. So for inaccuracy, I research well and change my view in light of new evidence. As for inconsistency, chalk that one up to being human and I hope that my new site is not inconsistent. I am sure that my discography and bibliography (of legally purchased material) are bigger than most aficionados outside of Spain. I also have two teachers one of whom is encyclopedic and played with many of the greats, an underground legend. I go to them with questions and being that they are both flamencos either born or bred, forgive me if I take what they say more seriously than what you say, although I find your material very convenient.
@RON: Thanks. Your Quique vid is still one of my favorites.
@Flo: Thanks Brostralia, it means a lot that you would defend my view.
@GChapman: It was not a business decision. If it had been, I would have saved some of the explanations and ascii. Everything going up at the site has been stewing for years, since before I was a foro member and is MUSIC THEORY oriented. My posts here were only about 55% theory oriented.
@Munin: Music theory in general is generic. You can find it anywhere. What I offer is unique, a perspective gained by being a musician with long term contact with flamencos and a scholar with an interest in theory, as well as historical and anthropological method (don't let that scare you, the lessons will be practical and the blog and forum will compliment, hopefully, the lessons). My site has little to do with my posts over the years but it will be difficult not to revisit some of the material.
One final note: I respect and like people like Estela, Norman, and Ricardo but there is one thing I do not like about them and I hope that I am not guilty of this. It is that they present information as if that is it; "We know it, end of discussion, nothing more to talk about." Art is not like that. I have only ever offered one well-researched and experienced (to what extent is another important question) perspective and I will forever be a student and EVERYBODY here should recognize as much.
An example is Ramzi's recent post about a passing chord. There are many theor(ies) that could explain his passing chord. Generally theory can be divided into a scale degree approach and a functional approach. Ricardo took the scale degree approach and I took the Function approach. The function approach IMO was broader in this particular instance but everyone wanted the easy way out. "Oh it's Cm in first inversion. " No explanation of why or how that might work and certainly no social analysis to see how that Cm chord might have ended up being a passing chord over time; in short NO THEORY, musical or social.
In the end, the product will speak for itself. Now that I have time to practice, my playing soon will too.
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Date Jun. 20 2012 16:06:56
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Kevin
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RE: FlamencoGuitarTheory.com (in reply to XXX)
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As somebody who is akin to science i would find it problematic if you sold the information which you received in tons of discussions mainly with Ricardo as your own, without correctly quoting it in your dissertation. I dont know if thats the case of course but unless you come clean and honest about your pretty drastic act of deleting all your posts there will be always a fishy smell to it. The same thing, as others have mentioned, would apply to your lessons, if something like that (using stuff that was posted here) would be the case there too. Again i dont know it, i found your contributions laudable, although you gambled much of it away, as it is not there anymore. And you should now focus on coming clean, if you dont want to loose more. Just IMO.
With all due respect to both you and Ricardo, I learned next to nothing on the foro. That is one of my frustrations with it. For the short time that Jason was here I thought the place would explode. It made me want to quit graduate school and catch up with Ricardo and Jason or die trying. That was short lived.
As for my thesis, again, I learned nothing here. You can go back and look at the threads that I posted. It is only my posts that are deleted. Makes for hard reading but I am sure you will find none of the ideas in Ricardo's posts at either my site or in my thesis. The foro IS NOT part of my research.
As for offering material that I made available here at my site, it is theory. Of course there will be similar material but not because I got material from here.
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Date Jun. 20 2012 16:50:57
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Ricardo
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RE: FlamencoGuitarTheory.com (in reply to Florian)
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am i misreading the thread ?...i am seeing members kind of attacking Kevin...without insulting words...but innocent words put together to form insulting sentences
I was surprised too by Norman's statement, not like him to even take the time. But I understand why. Kevin was, from my point of view, a guy on the more advanced side of the topics that generally get discussed here. He was on some really interesting paths as I could read, and it was exciting to address certain ideas he had from my personal perspective, although I THOUGHT I would be helping him out by steering him in what I KNOW is the right direction...but he very frustratingly would always twist things as though to defend a preconcieved concept he has developed. Such a typical thing from flamenco students that get advanced long before visiting spain, and feeling that the connection to local spainiards that have resided in this country for so long as enough. The right path, but wrong focus, or focus on the less important detail forsaking the bigger picture.
Constant back and forth to try to make the guy see the forest for the trees would eventually lead to the underhanded feeling "well, I go with the opinion of the SPANIARD not the foreignor"...as if the opinions were so diametrically opposed, again missing the point and insulting others trying to help at the same time. The resentment of being so deeply involved in the art that is not your OWN culture, and resentment of the missconcepts of those around you that are also not from the culture and clearly "don't get it", is the root of the lack of respect for other "foreignors" like oneself. ( Estela also always exhibited this problem.)Than after tons of carefully worded time consuming energy draining detailed attempts to make ideas more clear....deleted it all and make it look and feel like talking to a brick wall all along.
Which I feel some of us were infact doing in the end. 
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Date Jun. 20 2012 16:51:20
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Kevin
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RE: FlamencoGuitarTheory.com (in reply to Ricardo)
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I was surprised too by Norman's statement, not like him to even take the time. But I understand why. Kevin was, from my point of view, a guy on the more advanced side of the topics that generally get discussed here. He was on some really interesting paths as I could read, and it was exciting to address certain ideas he had from my personal perspective, although I THOUGHT I would be helping him out by steering him in what I KNOW is the right direction...but he very frustratingly would always twist things as though to defend a preconcieved concept he has developed. Such a typical thing from flamenco students that get advanced long before visiting spain, and feeling that the connection to local spainiards that have resided in this country for so long as enough. The right path, but wrong focus, or focus on the less important detail forsaking the bigger picture.
Constant back and forth to try to make the guy see the forest for the trees would eventually lead to the underhanded feeling "well, I go with the opinion of the SPANIARD not the foreignor"...as if the opinions were so diametrically opposed, again missing the point and insulting others trying to help at the same time. The resentment of being so deeply involved in the art that is not your OWN culture, and resentment of the missconcepts of those around you that are also not from the culture and clearly "don't get it", is the root of the lack of respect for other "foreignors" like oneself. ( Estela also always exhibited this problem.)Than after tons of carefully worded time consuming energy draining detailed attempts to make ideas more clear....deleted it all and make it look and feel like talking to a brick wall all along.
Which I feel some of us were infact doing in the end.
Hi Ricardo. This kind of post is exactly why I left. I often enjoy discussions with you but find you to be on the flip side of the same coin. You have tasted success and you are very knowledgeable, and I have never declared otherwise.
I take issue with your assessment that I do not value other foreigners' opinions. I do, but when I need a practical answer and the issue does not seem to clear up, would you really expect that I take a foreigner over very experienced flamencos, no matter how long they have been in the states (no one ever said that about Sabicas..."Oh he's been in the states to long." On the contrary, once they rediscovered him they fell in love with him).
Seeing the forest for the trees and seeing the trees in the forest are equally important. If I stuck to looking at individual trees it is not that I am not or have never been concerned with the forest. The one point I will concede is that it is important to go see the Spanish forest.  However, you also commit the same errors of judgement as Estela and I. You seem to think that it is impossible that someone can get to an advanced (relatively speaking...I want to incarcerate Amos Lara lol) understanding without going to Spain. You have your yearly trips to Spain, I have my open phone line to two greats. Both are incomplete and have pros and cons.
I would never compare you to a brick wall just because I can't get you to see my opinion. For me, it means that I am not crafting a good enough argument and I need to go back and figure out how to persuade the audience. It is very unfortunate that you feel that way because there are some people who will ignore me only because they adore you and won't have a wider perspective because of that. That's ok...I will recommend you anytime. "Yeah, Ricardo's great. Study with him, but don't ask him about passing chords. He'll only give ya one perspective." 
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