Zapateado en Re (Sabicas)

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Ron.M

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Zapateado en Re (Sabicas)

I dunno...

This composition came into my head this morning.

Paco Peña does a great performance of it.

Very technical and precise and no room for hesitant "feeling and interpetation" lol.

VERY Flamenco anyway.

Was thinking of making it an Intermediate/Advanced Challenge if anyone feels up to it.

What do youz think?

Is it too hard?

(Bet most of you couldn't do it. lol)

cheers,

Ron

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rombsix

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ron.M)

That's not easy mate... It'll need a good deal of work!

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 29 2012 22:36:08

Ron.M

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to rombsix)

Hey, I thought that would just be easyf for all the guys who started on Luzia and Cositas Buenas stuff??

This is just OldSchool for heaven's sake!

cheers,

Ron

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rombsix

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ron.M)

This is how I think of stuff, at least in terms of compas and technique (and not including depth of knowledge of flamenco history, concepts, cante accompaniment, dance accompaniment, composition, etc.).

Beginner - level 1
Beginner - level 2
Beginner - level 3

Intermediate - level 1 <--------- rombsix
Intermediate - level 2
Intermediate - level 3

Advanced - level 1
Advanced - level 2
Advanced - level 3 <--------- Paco de Lucia et al.

The higher the number of the level, the more advanced the player (like the degrees of a black belt in Karate). Oh, and the scale is logarithmic.

I would say this zapateado, if you want it to sound like Paco Pena's or Sabicas' playing, is probably Intermediate - level 3 or Advanced - level 1 material. But maybe I'm just full-o-crap.

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 29 2012 23:12:41

El Kiko

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to rombsix)

Tremolo at the first bit ....thats me out ...........

I like your chart Rombsix ...Isn't it upside down ? and Paco should be Advanced - level A ?? unless you feel there is a level higher than him ....

Cant find my level there ....I put it at Beginner U (Unclassified ) .....one day I will get on your scale /.........Which we should adapt as a guide and call it The ROMBSCALE of flamenco levels ......

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mottallica

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ron.M)

i would really like to even give a try , but trying to learn it by ear just seems too much effort for me.....
if there were tabs - i would love to take this on as a new way to improve

Report Abuse | Date Apr. 29 2012 23:31:46

rombsix

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to El Kiko)

quote:

I like your chart Rombsix ...Isn't it upside down ? and Paco should be Advanced - level A ?? unless you feel there is a level higher than him ....

No, the way I see it is that the further you go into the alphabet, the more advanced you are...

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 29 2012 23:32:03

El Kiko

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to mottallica)

Thats where i heard it , this tune just came up the other day , with you Mottallica ...here

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=196778&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=&tmode=&smode=&s=#196878

quote:

No, the way I see it is that the further you go into the alphabet, the more advanced you are

So are there any minus levels for me ??

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 29 2012 23:36:59

rombsix

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to El Kiko)

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So are there any minus levels for me ??

I edited my original post about the scale. Check it out, and you will know why you actually DO fit in those 9 categories. I am sure you underestimate yourself, and I am not going to OVER-estimate your level just to sugarcoat things. So of what I have seen of you, I would say you are Beginner - level 3.

quote:

i would really like to even give a try , but trying to learn it by ear just seems too much effort for me.....
if there were tabs - i would love to take this on as a new way to improve

PM me.

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 29 2012 23:44:08

jg7238

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to El Kiko)

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Tremolo at the first bit ....thats me out

You don't have to do it like Paco Pena. Sabias uses AIAI etc.. for the intro. You sacrifice some speed for it though. Here is Sabicas playing it.

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El Kiko

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to jg7238)

quote:

Sabias uses AIAI etc..

Ah well thats makes me feel much better ......

....noooooo,,, now its just another technique I cant do ......and then the picado run .........

i can do the guitar tuning bit at the beginning of Paco Peñas Vid.........

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 0:01:50

mottallica

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to El Kiko)

quote:

hats where i heard it , this tune just came up the other day , with you Mottallica ...here

i know - i really love this one and really want to play it eventually :D

Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 1:46:51

Elie

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ron.M)

hahaha Rico you're hilarious man

quote:

I am sure you underestimate yourself

you're doing the same Romb

I don't think this would be hard for you

I think we need to play some more oldschool stuff here on the foro
cool idea imo , i'll give it a shot

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 4:06:18

Ramirez

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Elie)

Nice idea, Ron,

I'd be up for tackling this one.

How long would we have to practice?

Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 9:20:51

Ron.M

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ramirez)

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How long would we have to practice?

3 months.

Entries on 1st August.

Can you do it?

That's the Challenge to yourself. Only YOU will know if you are up for it or not.

cheers,

Ron

Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 11:09:18

Ramirez

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ron.M)

Sound like something to work towards!

Count me in!

Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 11:39:18

rombsix

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ron.M)

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Can you do it?

That's the Challenge to yourself. Only YOU will know if you are up for it or not.

Have you been attending some leadership seminars, or reading some self-motivation books, Ron?

I'm out of the challenge by the way because I will be in transition from country to country at the time you mentioned, so it's going to be very difficult to juggle this along with the other stuff I'll be handling...

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 11:51:13

Arash

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ron.M)

This is oldschool...but damn hard to play man...

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 12:32:15

eg.czerny

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ron.M)

I bought the tabs from Alain Faucher 6 years ago (book Rey del Flamenco) and still can't play it past the tremolo, but then I am off the Ramzi scale.

Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 17:20:01

mezzo

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to eg.czerny)

These pieces are too classical for my taste. And also too hard for my skills.

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Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 17:26:14

Shroomy726

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RE: Zapateado en Re (Sabicas) (in reply to Ron.M)

Man, PP raped that zapateado. Nice.

I like this piece and I am not opposed to doing a traditional one, but I wouln't choose it for learning. Besides, the following techniques will be quite challenging for most 1) Beginning tremolo or aiai, either way 2) rasgueados toward end.

How about something else that maybe us mere mortals might attempt?

Report Abuse | Date Apr. 30 2012 17:38:38