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erictjie

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tuners

iam changing my cheapy tuners to much better performance tuners and now i found out there are aluminium tuners which are near 1/2 the weight of brass tuners

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2012 11:28:15

Turner

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

Sorry Eric, I'm not sure what you're asking here.

If you're looking to change your existing Schallers for either of these they should fit fine assuming that they are the standard 35mm between the posts which they probably are but I think the old Landsdorfers/Reichels may have been 36mm so it'd be worth checking but maybe someone here knows more.
Other than that it's just that the screw holes may not line up exactly as they rarely seem to.
They certainly should be an upgrade, in price if nothing else.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 8 2012 22:53:12

beno

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

I'm also thinking on tuners upgrade, but to be honest my Schallers are so solid working wonderfully, but some look quite characteristic. I like these:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2012 19:39:19

erictjie

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RE: tuners (in reply to beno)

Beno, is that alessi tuners?
i have 1 similar installed by salvador Castillo on my classical guitar. but now he doesn't have anymore those exclusive tuners anymore.
Graf tuners Jorg just emailed me these pictures of aluminium based tuners which is 1/2 the weight of our current tuners, our tuners are about 155g , this tuner around 99g. i think they are good for blanca too.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2012 21:10:58

erictjie

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

and this one is the light only 99g

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2012 21:12:14

beno

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

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Beno, is that alessi tuners?

the second one, yes. The first one are rubner.

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i have 1 similar installed by salvador Castillo on my classical guitar

and how do You like it? How does it compare to the Schaller's?

As for lightness I think this one wins:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 10 2012 5:25:45

beno

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

Those graf's are not bad, but I'd go for a super-simple, but elegant one.

I'd choose the last one I've posted, but I think the screw's of the schallers are on a different place, so the previous holes could be seen...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 10 2012 5:32:57

erictjie

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RE: tuners (in reply to beno)

the alessi tuner is much much better than the schaller tuner . i would never go back to schaller anymore

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 10 2012 6:20:05

Turner

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

The problems I find with Schallers is that, yes, they are too shiny and that they tune in steps instead of being smooth.
To throw another option at you, GSI have started selling a new brand - Baljak 'Mare', 'Bella' and 'Inga' $400 tuners. Personally I've never heard of them but maybe someone here knows them.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 10 2012 20:53:49

erictjie

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RE: tuners (in reply to Turner)

if iam not wrong smallman guitars have them
other then smoothness , the most important for me it has to be light. i found the lightest is aluminium based tuner which is 98g. i am buying 1 of that from Graf and I think my blanca deservea a good tuner

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 11 2012 0:59:26

beno

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

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To throw another option at you, GSI have started selling a new brand - Baljak 'Mare', 'Bella' and 'Inga' $400 tuners

thanks, I've seen those just a couple of days ago, but to be honest I don't like the look of them.

This smallman has a different kind that I like a lot, but these aren't 'baljak', and aren't avaible anymore:

http://www.classicguitar.com/02Smallman2_lg.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 11 2012 11:20:58

Anders Eliasson

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

This gotoh tuners is my favorite. Leightweight aluminium with alu rollers that run in a bearing so that they dont touch the headstock. leightweight and VERY smooth

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 11 2012 15:38:17

erictjie

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RE: tuners (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Anders,
i like it very much. I think I will get one of this for my blanca . what is the weight of the tuners?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 11 2012 22:34:56

Doitsujin

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

My Carpio has a great one with tiny angles playing trumpet. And that in these colored blue stones. Pretty.

P.S. Are you ****ting me??? Here they sell the same model I own for 8.300$ LOL? I payed 4100Euros... And mine has a special shell marple back that is even prettier than the regular model!!! What the heck...these prices are nuts.
http://luthiermusic.com/index.php/maple-model-sanchis-carpio.html

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 11 2012 23:34:33

Anders Eliasson

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

Eric
I dont know what the weight is. The ones I have now are installed on my guitar. But they are light.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 12 2012 4:49:01

Ruphus

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

If you are looking for precision gear, I´d like to quote myself about Scheller tuners.

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Working with enlightening precision and making things appear as if the micro-tweaking range of the string had been extended. Even with the thick low E there is so much reserve given that one can tweak meticulously to an exact point in a very relaxed way.

So much so that I even thought the transmission to be greater than 1:16 which however it isn´t.

The gear works absolutely evenly, without whatsoever fluctuation, no slightest tacking or breaking lose.

And while tuning in into micro level being so easy things stay in tune reliably in the same time.
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It is almost as if the pegs were knobs of an electronic device, that immediate is the tweaking.
With a strobe at work it in fact feels as if you were turning a button of it.
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Trying out Klaus Scheller tuners in place of Grafs, Rodgers & co. you might see what a significant difference there actually can be.
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Should you order, remember to tell Mr. Scheller whether you prefer the pegs to be smooth as can be or rather a bit inert. ( He says many prefer them a little bit inert, as suspecting the tuners to otherwise not be keeping in tune when too smooth, which being baseless concern however.)

He adjusts them to your preference if you let him roughly know in advance.

Ruphus

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 12 2012 9:07:41

erictjie

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RE: tuners (in reply to Ruphus)

Ruphus,
how much did you pay?what is the weight?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 12 2012 11:37:26

Argaith

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RE: tuners (in reply to Doitsujin)

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My Carpio has a great one with tiny angles playing trumpet. And that in these colored blue stones. Pretty.

My HSL also has the same tuners; but I'm not sure if I really like them! I can't find the relationship between the guitar and the trumpet/saxaphone or whatever it is! They do the job though, and I care for the sound more than the look.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 12 2012 12:39:25

Ruphus

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

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ORIGINAL: erictjie

Ruphus,
how much did you pay?what is the weight?

Over 500 EUR ( common price level for boutique stuff ), and these are top, as other fellows find too.

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Just received a Scheller set. In my opinion, they are better engineered than Rodgers, Grafs, Alessis. All the rotary parts (including the rollers) have true ball bearings, not just bushing. Each gear + roller set is fixed to the base plate by countersunk screws, allowing for easy replacement should the need ever arise. The tuning is extremely precise with no perceptible back lash. Typical teutonic engineering.

Mine weigh 146g.

Besides, as I see it, there is no universal rule. For some guitars you might want a bit weight on the headstock, on others not.
( Stiffer tops could do with some moment of inertia from the head, whereas more pliable ones be rather suited with less mass on the headstock. I suppose Anders and other luthiers will confirm thelike.)

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 12 2012 13:01:10

erictjie

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

i don't care about the weight of the tuner any more after consultation with my luthier. so i decided to put on something beautiful , i treat my guitar like a woman, so must as well make it beautiful.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2012 10:45:09

FullMetalGuitarist

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

There are many nice examples of tuners here, but I still find the look of 6 simple wooden pegs to be the most beautiful

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2012 18:06:30

Ruphus

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RE: tuners (in reply to erictjie)

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ORIGINAL: erictjie

i don't care about the weight of the tuner any more after consultation with my luthier. so i decided to put on something beautiful , i treat my guitar like a woman, so must as well make it beautiful.

The looks reminds me of my Graf tuners.

Ruphus