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BarkellWH
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 RE: The internet is in danger! (in reply to rombsix)
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Why this rush to claim the internet is in danger because of SOPA and PIPA? I would appreciate reading responses from those who think these bills place the internet in danger. Specifically, I have two questions:
A. Do those who are opposed to the bills think that online piracy and theft of intellectual property should be a right of anyone who can download music, literature, art, or any other type of copyrighted material or intellectual property? Do they think that musicians, authors, and artists do not have a right to collect the royalties they otherwise would have collected had their work not been pirated or downloaded without payment?
B. If those opposed to SOPA and PIPA agree that copyrighted material and intellectual property should be protected, and that piracy should be discouraged and even punished, what is it about these two bills that is so objectionable?
I am not trying to start an argument, but I would be interested in the responses from those opposed to the bills.
Cheers,
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Jan. 19 2012 0:55:40
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Ruphus
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RE: The internet is in danger! (in reply to rombsix)
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I remember intensive discussions in the audio recording community about copyright infringement with illegal downloads, years ago.
The supporters of a free internet delivered much more of hard facts than the hysterical fraction of defenders of intellectual property.
It was almost as unbalanced like creationists discussing palaeontologists.
The free exchange of music files after all also functions as a marketing tool that results in legal obtain of albums, which again reduces the actual loss in turn-over to much less than the the industry pretends.
Which is also why a number of artists choses to offer music for free.
The ones who are actually negatively affected with a mere 20% less return are major labels, who yearn for their spoiled times of cockaigne which yet wouldn´t keep them from squeezeing out their gagged artists. Which again is why a not too small number of artists decided to leave and promote their stuff independently over the internet.
The major labels still are doing very well, only a bit less affluent than before the internet.
And it must be considered that not all of the 1/5 of profit decline are being caused by illegal downloads.
In former times the market share was concentrated on a much smaller number of internationally promoted artists than today. With the options of the internet consumers purchasing power is being spread among a much greater number of interprets, of which more and more are being endorsed under indie labels or through own domains.
So, all in all true losses on margin are far below of what conservative hooter likes to pretend, and not even worth mentioning before the general advantage of a free internet.
Another point worth considering is that a substantial share of illegal downloads is being determined by the habit of exessive profiteering.
Many of the consumers of software for instance would certainly prefer to buy a legal copy instead of downloading cracks. Much for reason of legitimacy; partially because of the malware.
But the capitalist premisse of squeeze-all-that´s-possible leads to pricings that end up way beyound of what could be appearing remotely adequate. The more specialized the software and the less competing products there are, the more through the roof it gets.
From there I recall my message to a sales director of an audio effects maker, who at that time used to be the most famous and most overpriced brand. I suggested to him to settle on somewhat reasonable pricing and earn just as much, if not more through a growing customer base, whilst the interest on cracking should diminish.
His answer was furious.
So, I started publicly illuminating the growing strengths of competitors´effects and pointing out the hazzles and shortcomings of the aforementioned brand, soon and increasingly confirmed by the user community. Not too long afterwards, with the steadily acknowledged and improving products of competition, the fancy brand´s market position changed dramatically. And they couldn´t regain despite the encrease of price drops and concessions made. And yet, though much more humbly now, they are certainly still doing well.
Cracks would hardly exist, and lesser even be used, if demanded originals were being offered at a fair deal.
Same counts for albums which for no reason are often offered for double of what even venyls once used to cost. - With yet, the artists ( and increasingly recording studios too) receiving only crumbs.
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Objectable about SOPA and PIPA is not only the distortion and hypocricy behind it, but the fact that such laws once introduced will be used to restrict the internet in other regards than just copyright protection.
SOPA and PIPA are Troyan Horses of regime.
Ruphus
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Date Jan. 19 2012 10:39:59
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: The internet is in danger! (in reply to XXX)
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On the other hand the Internet has helped many unknown artists to get publicity they would never had gotten without it (Ricardo, you are one of them ).
Excuse me sir, but I was playing out years before I even got on line to check email.
I have gotten some gigs and work etc via internet...but it pales in comparison to LIVING HUMAN NETWORKING. In fact, I would say that I have advertised just as much or more, FOR stuff online when people ask me AT GIGS what's going on or where they can find info etc...compared to advertising I have received thanks to internet. Main thing is youtube. quick easy way to show somebody something...but it is not be all end all of life. Keeping contacts with friends and such is made easier quick and cheap, but in the old days we had A TELEPHONE!  and we could write a letter or send a photo. It's just easier now that's all.
People act like the world ends if the power goes out and can't check email. Personalities are growing behind keyboards but they are not "real" and should not be affect by something silly like taking down a web site or disabled email or "sharing" site.
And about sharing and copyright.....has been discussed endlessly on the foro in the past. If internet goes totally off line...I still have my friends and guitar and gigs etc. Only problem is RECORD STORES ARE GONE. Why? cuz of this sharing **** and add to cart on line buying ****. I can't buy an album to check out for a few weeks anymore....I can download an entire discography in seconds and listen to some of it IF I have the time. People don't value time any more or music or anything because it is all there at a touch of a button.
Ok, true it was easier to make a CD and sell myself....but honestly, I make the money from the CD playing out at gigs. Online, some people can download my new cd cheap as **** cuz of a stupid box I forgot to not check. It is ridiculous. Great that folks think cuz everything is so cheap quick and easy that it "promotes" us and "exposes us" as artists.....well ever heard "you can die from exposure"? I reserve the right to actually NOT sell my CD to people who I think don't appreciate certain aspects. At a gig someone once said "$20 bucks? Thats crazy, I will just download it...." another person "$20 bucks? That is crazy....I will give you 15...what do you say?" I say "sorry, I am sold out"....
Anyway, I have made a point to actually meet in person a lot of the internet personalities I have encountered, for the reasons I describe above. I think its really important. Sure, there is a chance I might have never met some great people in my life thanks to the internet shrinking the world....but in the end the flamenco world has always been pretty small anyway.
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Date Jan. 19 2012 15:06:37
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chester
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Joined: Oct. 29 2010
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RE: The internet is in danger! (in reply to rombsix)
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Bill - The problem with SOPA and PIPA is that they give the copyright industry control over what's allowed on the internet. A whole site can be shut down just because of a complaint from ASCAP. This website will surely be one that is deemed pirate because of the youtube links to copyrighted material. Does that seem like a fair, or even well-thought-out model?
The copyright industry doesn't care about creativity, nor does it actually care about maintaining the artist's intellectual property rights. They only care about their money and how much more they can be making if everyone was forced to buy their products.
There are plenty of good alternatives to piracy nowadays. iTunes store, Spotify, Amazon, etc, are all either selling or letting the user stream music for a minimal fee. The same can be said for TV shows and movies. It's easier to pay $10/month to netflix and be able to stream a whole lot of content than it is to go out looking for torrents. That's the solution to piracy, give the customer what they want rather than make them jump through hoops.
Ricardo - Wake up! The world is not only flamenco. In fact, flamenco (and music in general) are such a small part of (most people's) life that it can be considered insignificant. The internet is not only a place for people to sell their CDs or write their silly thoughts. There's actual information that's being shared on the web. Things that you would never probably never hear about otherwise. New scientific innovations, political uprisings, natural disasters, etc. The internet is a means of communication and if governments starts censoring it (actually they already do, but the US is still 'free') it's a slippery slope to Orwell's 1984.
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Date Jan. 19 2012 17:50:19
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