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Ruphus
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 RE: multiple guitars (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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This thread is witty and fun to read. :O)
Paco dL I think owns heaps of guitars, and I know a professional guitarist who owned over 70 last time we talked about it.
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I agree with Shawn:
Almost every time that I see our luthier´s special offers here I feel so tempted to order, damnit.
- What they offer for 2 or 3 grands is just so uncomparable to the common serial production properties you get in common stores for yet 2 to 3 times the price.
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Arash could be right with his faible for Conde negras.
Said negra item I estimate to once have been a Conde ( unable to tell whether it was a classical or flamenca, for having had no clue at that time ) just sounded so incredibly sonor, no matter whether played Spanish or classical style.
And yet, alone seen from Paco´s videos, in my opinion the best sounding he ever played was a blanca he used in those sixties kitchen sessions. I never got why he settled on negras after that.
And also from my personal experience, I´d say: ... Blancas all the way.
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Of wine you would want a selection to choose from for different kind of meals.
Though, if you ask me personally:
I have always found that wine only messes up with the flavour of the meal, as it removes so radically from your tongue foods delicious taste that you want to stay.
I love cooking with wine, but other than that prefer meal and wine separately.
-But what am I talking anyway; with the absent facility here, craving for a good bottle since years now ...
Me keeps telling friends at home that they shall touch glasses on behalf of yours truely and his deserted lust. 
Ruphus
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Date Jan. 14 2012 13:38:04
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BarkellWH
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RE: multiple guitars (in reply to Ruphus)
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And also from my personal experience, I´d say: ... Blancas all the way.
At the risk of repeating my earlier post on this thread, I agree with you regarding flamenco guitars, Ruphus: "Blancas all the way." Except with wine, that is, which I prefer to be red 90 percent of the time. I even prefer red wine with fish, preceded, of course, by a copita of "jerez muy seco" as an aperitif.
Cheers,
Bill
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Date Jan. 14 2012 13:51:35
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Ruphus
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RE: multiple guitars (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
At the risk of repeating my earlier post on this thread, I agree with you regarding flamenco guitars, Ruphus: "Blancas all the way." Except with wine, that is, which I prefer to be red 90 percent of the time. I even prefer red wine with fish, preceded, of course, by a copita of "jerez muy seco" as an aperitif.
Cheers,
Bill
While at it:
I like both moderately sweet, mostly prefering white one as many reds tend to be bitter / giving a feeling as if your gum would be wrinkling up into one´s brain. 
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The past envogue decades besides have been great example and demo for sheepish trendy being.
Only because some silly gourmet had been promoting dry ( better to say sour wine) followed by parotting columnist alikes, each and everyone who considered himself fancy from then on would dissmiss sweet sorts from the get go, consistantly doing to themselves squeaky stuff.
That went on for about ~ 25 years, until as of late actually pleasent temper is being gradually rehabilitated, progressively promoted by gourmets.
To think that ancient peotry was celebrating some sour grape juice makes for a funny idea, I think.
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Should we at a time be having dinner you can have my portion of wine while I be glad to scoop away your dish escorted by pure water.
Don´t worry, though tasting slowly I can do away like a grizzly right after hibernation; if the cuisine is well. :O)
Ruphus
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Date Jan. 14 2012 14:25:24
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: multiple guitars (in reply to estebanana)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
Honestly I like a few Condes' and I take care of a few that belong to friends. I work on them with as much respect as any other fine guitar. But I really get disgusted at those who buy them just to signify they are in to flamenco and not because that is the tool they really need.
The Condes themselves used to take revenge on those who bought just for show. The first time I went to the Gravina shop in the '60s or early '70s Faustino was in the front of the store. I asked for one of their best blancas. The young guy behind the counter handed me one of the most villainous pieces of junk I ever held in my hands.
The neck was not only bent, but also twisted. The frets were uneven and rough. There was glue splashing out from under every piece inside, running into the tool marks. The two pieces of the top were mismatched, had serious runout and actually had knots in them. The thing was nearly impossible to play, besides being dead as a doornail.
I played a couple of soleares falsetas, and handed the guitar back without comment. Faustino nodded to the kid behind the counter, who disappeared for a few moments and reappeared with a quite respectable blanca.
I played the decent guitar for a while. Not that I was a great player, but it was rare to hear an American play in compas in those days. A young boy came in off the street and stopped to listen. He was sent down the street to fetch the professor. I assume the professor was correctly diagnosing my falsetas ripped off from Mario Escudero and Sabicas as he whispered into Faustino's ear.
I bought some strings and a capo and left. I never bought a guitar from them, but I was treated with courtesy each time I returned.
I saw at least a half dozen Americans who had bought the junk guitars they had been handed, at the price of the best.
One of my best friends had his daughter, who was studying in Madrid at the time, pick out a new '76 blanca from the Gravina shop, helped by a pro classical guitarist whose name I recognized but have now forgotten.
When it arrived, I felt sorry for my friend. The guitar was as dead as a yellow pine board. I never said anything about it. Over two or three years' time it opened up into a great instrument. It was one of only one two at the time that I liked better than my '67 Ramirez blanca. But I certainly would not have walked out of the shop with it new.
RNJ
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Date Jan. 20 2012 20:34:58
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: multiple guitars (in reply to estebanana)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
I would have liked very much to have met Faustino.
It would have been interesting to observe your meeting. I subscribe to the Journal of American Lutherie. The spirit of cooperation and helpfulness of the Guild is remarkable.
It might have been that when Faustino realized you were the real deal he would have opened up and been friendly. On the other hand, he might have displayed the attitude of secretiveness and suspicion that was all too prevalent at the time.
I was acquainted with Jose Ramirez III, Manuel Contreras Sr, Felix Manzanero, and to a lesser extent Paulino Bernabe Sr. The latter three all acknowledged their debt to Ramirez III, and seemed to exist in a spirit of friendly competition. The Condes were not a part of that circle, whether by choice or by exclusion, I never knew.
I spent a pleasant couple of hours with Vicente Camacho. He talked of learning from Modesto Borreguero, the third famous disciple of Manuel Ramirez. When I asked about any disciples of his own, he smiled, a little sadly it seemed to me, and said, "Aquí trabajo solo como San Jose."
Ramirez never mentioned his former oficiales, his father, his grandfather, his great-uncle Manuel, nor any other luthier that I can think of. He had plenty to say about his own contributions to the art, but I was not a potential competitor, rather a buyer of 20 or so of his instruments, which I sold in the USA to pay for my trips to Spain.
RNJ
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Date Jan. 21 2012 7:04:00
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etta
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RE: multiple guitars (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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This may sound boring, but I have four guitars by one American builder, something I once said I would never do. They include two blancas, one spruce, one cedar; and two Brazilian negras, one cedar, and one DT spruce. They all produce quality sounds that please my ear and inspire my playing. But, they are all different with variety that befits any mood. I play one or two of them each day, and I bought a vibrator for the those that might get neglected now and then (the"ToneRite"). I do have a couple of beater, or camping guitars, and also some quality Spanish guitars. I believe for me the old song of "variety is the .....". Some ex wives might agree and maybe about the vibrator too.
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Date Jul. 30 2013 1:51:30
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ernandez R
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From: Alaska USA
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RE: multiple guitars (in reply to dartemo1)
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I built a parlor guitar with a narrower fretboard and shorter scale. It was for my size challenged partner ( means small and sexy) any way after playing it exclusively for a few days I pick u my 650mm sized flamenco and was surprised how much more focused my left hand fingering was. I mentioned this on the Delcamp and a couple others chimed in as having the same experience. I've sence built a pair of 666mm flamenco with 69mm spacing at the bridge and a couple mm wider at the nut and I don't really notice at all switching between them now that I've been banging away at them for a number of Months. The wider longer fretboard shore helps my fat shorter fingers.
Guessing others will,have different feelings about this. Poking around the delcamp for almost two years and I've bumped into people who have issues with a mm here or there. Who am I to judge but it doesn't make a lot of sence to me, just play the instrument?
In the end I must add that perhaps I don't have enough experience.
As far as tension I've always used Black Label classic Augustins and decide to use them on all my guitars, I've built eight so far, so,as to have a baseline or rather one variable that doesn't change as I make too many changes from one to the next.
Dartemo,
How do you feel about it?
HR
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I prefer my flamenco guitar spicy,
doesn't have to be fast,
should have some meat on the bones,
can be raw or well done,
as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.
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