RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000

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orsonw

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From: London

RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to malakka)

Here is a better sound clip of Don S playing Elgreco's Atocha Conde for sale-

Top of this thread-
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=108165&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=atocha&tmode=&smode=&s=#108323

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 8 2011 22:34:38

elgreco

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From: San Francisco CA

RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

And this is your 666th post. Man you are jinxing my thread big time.

Just kidding.

quote:

ORIGINAL: orsonw

Here is a better sound clip of Don S playing Elgreco's Atocha Conde for sale-

Top of this thread-
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=108165&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=atocha&tmode=&smode=&s=#108323

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 8 2011 23:14:05

richardf

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

Hmmm , Nice guitar. I have a real bad GAS and like this guitar very much, despite having just bought myself a nice Reya Pardo blanca six months ago (winces).

Trying to work out if I can sell my soul twice to the Devil.

Could you give me an estimate of the cost for a UPS fragile shipping from the US to Hong Kong?

Thanks.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 1:48:30

richardf

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

Hi Dino,

Tried to reply to your email but it bounced as undeliverable for some reason so I am posting here.

No, no plans to visit the USA at the moment, and I want to say this is only an enquiry, at this stage, so thanks for checking it out for me. The Conde sounds lovely. I bought my Raya Pardo over the internet and have to say I have no regrets (except about the hole in my bank balance).

I have no doubts about the Conde's playability. More concern about the sound.

Of course if it costs more to ship that the price of a ticket to SF, then that beomes an option :-) (if the Gov let me in and don't deport me on sight!)

Best
r

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 4:49:52

avimuno

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From: Paris, France

RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

Hi richard!

Did you buy your Raya Pardo used or new? If used, which year is it? I used to have one which I sold to someone in the States and I'm wondering if it's the same one.

Saludos,

Avi

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 5:50:32

doublek

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to elgreco)

Elegro are you from Greece?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 10:28:08

elgreco

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From: San Francisco CA

RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to doublek)

Born in the States, raised in Greece.

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ORIGINAL: doublek

Elegro are you from Greece?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2011 15:54:29

doublek

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to elgreco)

Okay you have a very important Luthier there man (in Athens) and he is getting more famous everyday and soon someone of the famous artists in Spain is going to play his guitars he is from Athens ,He is (Vassilis Lazaridis) you can see his guitars on la sonanta and mundo flamenco i have a friend i trust played his guitar and he own a Reyes 79,Gerundino , Marvi ...etc he told me that his guitars are in the same level .. just thought about telling you man .. cause i am crazy about wood , flamenco guitars, good luthiers and i think soon i ll have guitar from him ..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 2:17:48

elgreco

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From: San Francisco CA

RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to doublek)

Thanx Doublek,

I had started a thread asking about Vasilis last year. That prompted him creating a foroflamenco account and introducing himself. I will go and visit his workshop this Xmas.

Un fuerte abrazo
Dino

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Captain Esteban: Caballeros! I believe you all know each other?
Don Diego from San Fernando.
Don Francisco from San Jose.
Don Fernando from San Diego.
Don Jose from San Bernardino.
Luis Obispo from Bakersfield.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 2:22:48

doublek

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 2:36:51

malakka

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to elgreco)

quote:

I will go and visit his workshop this Xmas.

I really look forward to your "report" after you visit him. I am also curious about his guitars.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 4:27:16

doublek

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 9:59:14

malakka

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

Evharisto poli, doublek. It sounds like a nice guitar. But I am sure the recording process (EQ, etc.) has an impact. However, whenever I do make it back to Athens, I will definitely check look him up - no plans in the immediate future.

This is my last post on El Greco's "FOR SALE" posting. We really should move any more posts to the General section.

I would like to say once again that this 2000 Atocha Conde is an excellent Conde, one that stands out and is a Great buy for anyone interested in Condes. I have enjoyed plying it now and then as have others.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 16:14:06

doublek

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to malakka)

Yes agree with you Malakka

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2011 16:45:34

richardf

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

Hi Avimu,
Sorry about the delay - been busy this past week.

Yes, I bought the Raya Pardo second hand, from a company in Belgium (which I have since been warned off, though I found the company helpful and have no complaints myself - I'll say no more on that): it is a 1998 model, (I think No. 498) re-polished, used by a Belgian player who bought it new from RP in Granada. It's seen some service and there are a couple of minor marks on the wood, but given it's age it is in good condition. And importantly it plays very well. I just wish I could do it justice.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2011 7:09:22

richardf

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to richardf)

Actually, it's number 695, not 495.

Doh!
r

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 20 2011 8:00:01

elgreco

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From: San Francisco CA

RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to elgreco)

The guitar has been spoken for. Now I can buy Dimitri's Green:
http://www.eflamenco.com/reviews/green/

D.

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Captain Esteban: Caballeros! I believe you all know each other?
Don Diego from San Fernando.
Don Francisco from San Jose.
Don Fernando from San Diego.
Don Jose from San Bernardino.
Luis Obispo from Bakersfield.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 22 2011 5:26:32

malakka

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

D,

Congratulations to you and to the new owner of your wonderful Conde!!!

B

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 22 2011 14:15:07

doublek

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 22 2011 22:25:44

richardf

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to malakka)

Thank you Dino, malakka. I have the honour of caring for her for a while. Once I can do it justice, I will post something. Meanwhile, enjoy your new green.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2011 8:59:47

Ruphus

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

How well-behaved.

Won´t ya share with us as a bit on how your senses exploded with the new gem in comparison to the old nag? ( Or is she still acclimatisating?)

- Reminds me of my best friend and cousin, whose neck I smack once in a while for him to remember enthusiasm when due.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 23 2011 12:27:52

elgreco

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From: San Francisco CA

RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to Ruphus)

Hi Ruphus,

I just got the Green a few hours ago. I think Dimitri is a much better person to review the guitar, (as he has done on the website I listed) than I will ever be. He bought this guitar in 2004, just before he quit playing flamenco. So the guitar has never opened up or even played for the past 7 years, so it would be unfair to upload a sound sample for another 6 months. But the first impressions are very good. It is a very responsive guitar that I can play sweet or harsh on her. It is apparent that Green wants his guitars to project. I am happy that I am playing a 654mm guitar. It feels that it has more nerve and rasp. The strings feel more tight and they pulsate less (well the Condes are famous for that and it is fun to ride the wave). More tiring on the fingers though. They feel sore. Maybe I need some adjustment time.

By the way you shouldn't be the one talking. You are the one that owes us a sample of your DeVoe cedar negra. :)

Cheers
Dino

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Captain Esteban: Caballeros! I believe you all know each other?
Don Diego from San Fernando.
Don Francisco from San Jose.
Don Fernando from San Diego.
Don Jose from San Bernardino.
Luis Obispo from Bakersfield.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2011 1:54:47

richardf

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to Ruphus)

Hi Ruphus,
I sometimes feel I need a smack on the head every now and again to remind me I'm not dreaming. I'm still waiting for the Conde because Dino has kindly sought a new saddle and is getting it made as we mail. So it won't arrive until another week or 10 days. The pool of saliva is growing though.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2011 3:18:34

Ruphus

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to elgreco)

I see, thank you for explaining, guys.
Looking forward to read of your impressions later!

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ORIGINAL: elgreco

By the way you shouldn't be the one talking. You are the one that owes us a sample of your DeVoe cedar negra. :)

My recording gear is stuffed away in boxes which are gathering dust since years now.

Just days ago ( after seeing some meter LEDs flashing in a movie ) was I thinking how badly I miss studio work.
Though, in the sense of tracking others, not myself.
I am in a technical state of metamorphosis that will be taking a while still.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2011 11:06:02

DonS

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From: Florida and San Francisco Cali

RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

Oh man I miss this Atocha...I used this for recording on my 2nd album. Thats a really good Conde blanca, much better than the two A26's from Felipe quinto that I've owned. Great trebles and nicely balanced. Who ever buys it next will be very happy.

Regarding Dimitry's Green..I played that at his apartment during a little jam hang out we had back in 2004 a week after he got it. I got to try that and the super DeVoe brazilian that he had..awesome guitars. It sounded great then so I'm sure its even better now. Congrats on that purchase and tell Dimitri I said HOLA hope he is doing well.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 26 2011 14:33:06

itoprover

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to elgreco)

Oh man, you bought the Dimitri's Green !!?? No way.. This is the guitar and his webpage that moved me into commissioning my blanca from Aaron. It will blow your mind in some months after it will open, took like 1.5 years for me but I don't play at all lately.. Now it is much better than many guitars that I tried, cant compare to Conde at all though, way too different if feel in sound
(I have felipe A26 as well).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2011 18:14:46

elgreco

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to itoprover)

I knew I was going to make some people jealous.

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ORIGINAL: itoprover

Oh man, you bought the Dimitri's Green !!?? No way.. This is the guitar and his webpage that moved me into commissioning my blanca from Aaron. It will blow your mind in some months after it will open, took like 1.5 years for me but I don't play at all lately.. Now it is much better than many guitars that I tried, cant compare to Conde at all though, way too different if feel in sound
(I have felipe A26 as well).

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 4 2011 22:28:17

richardf

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to orsonw)

Hey Dino,
I was going to ask you, what strings do you recommend for the Atocha?

Best
r

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 6 2011 5:01:37

elgreco

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From: San Francisco CA

RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to richardf)

I am a big Royal Classics fan but they are expensive. La Bella 820 B are pretty good and highly recommended by Ricardo (our forum's Conde expert). I think he uses Luthier 35 Medium-High Tension basses and LaBella 802b trebles.

D.

quote:

ORIGINAL: richardf

Hey Dino,
I was going to ask you, what strings do you recommend for the Atocha?

Best
r

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 6 2011 5:50:40

richardf

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RE: Conde Hermanos Primera Blanca 2000 (in reply to elgreco)

Good. I have just received some Luthier 35s - I've also got a few packs of Mari trebles (good with the Raya Pardo) which I will pair with the Luthiers to see what happens.

Excitement building by the day!

quote:

ORIGINAL: elgreco

I am a big Royal Classics fan but they are expensive. La Bella 820 B are pretty good and highly recommended by Ricardo (our forum's Conde expert). I think he uses Luthier 35 Medium-High Tension basses and LaBella 802b trebles.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 6 2011 8:24:56