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Is China a comunist country
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BarkellWH
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 RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Although China is an authoritarian country ruled by the Communist Party, it is communist in name only. If by communist one means the Marxist definition of communism, exemplified in its extreme forms by the former Stalinist Soviet Union and Maoist China, then China today is neither politically nor economically nor socially communist. It is indeed a mix of free market capitalism and state-controlled investment and social policies. But many non-communist countries are authoritarian with state-controlled investment and social policies. The only truly communist countries in the world today are North Korea and Cuba, and even Cuba seems to be loosening up its economic policies somewhat. Communism is for all practical purposes dead. Good riddance!
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Bill
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Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Apr. 22 2011 13:28:00
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BarkellWH
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to gbv1158)
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The Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) was fought between the Republican forces and Franco's Falangists. Although there were communist elements fighting on the side of the Republicans, the vast majority were fighting to preserve a republic, not to install a communist dictatorship. The Soviet Union provided support to the Republicans and attempted to hijack the Republican effort, defeat Franco's forces, and install a communist government. Spanish Republican forces in 1936, however, were definitely not attempting to install a communist government in Spain.
Regarding Cuba, the U.S. embargo has not hurt Cuba nearly to the extent some would like to think. Most of the world can trade with Cuba and take advantage of its tourist sites. Cuba has access to much trade and tourism without the U.S. What has hurt Cuba most has been its own political and economic policies over the 52-year Castro dictatorship. The Cuban dictatorship stifles entrepreneurship, discourages private enterprise, and provides no incentives for foreign direct investment, which is the single most important creator of wealth and jobs in developing countries. Access to trade is there, but no country is going to invest heavily in Cuba unless and until the Cuban dictatorship provides the incentives to do so.
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
--Rudyard Kipling
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Date Apr. 22 2011 18:33:51
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erictjie
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to beno)
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tibet is always part of China and China is part of tibet too. tibetans live not only in tibet they are in other provinces in china.China is not only belong to chinese Hans, but they are 100s of minority groups who made up China so we call ourselves ' zhong hua' . frankly speaking the west doesn't like the rise of china , the best way to keep china under control is to breakup china into pieces-tibet and xinjiang.This is all about politic games and silent war. The west always thinks china is agressive country, they are wrong. thru out our 5000 history we never invade or conquer other countries, we conquer to unite our 'zhong hua' people . our history shows that we are victims of japanese and 6 others nation occupations.
Now China agressively making economic ties with africa ,s. america and s.e. asia and the west feels threaten, China don't meddle with other countries' domestic affair that is the advantages of doing business compare to the west.Most thing we see and read in the medias are biased towards their own advantages , there is no black and white in this world. China is not perfect but iron grip is needed to control its vast population, but its also gives a lot of carrots to its people.
democracy is not always good thing , Indonesian people called it 'democrazy' cause since the dictator fell, demo is everyday thing and the gov is corrupt from top to the very bottom and the people is worst now than under grip iron.
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Date Apr. 24 2011 1:33:00
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estebanana
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Ericjie,
Where do you live, I mean which city in China? I agree with several of your points about the history of China, but one is flawed in particular regarding Tibet.
You wrote: "frankly speaking the west doesn't like the rise of china , the best way to keep china under control is to breakup china into pieces-tibet and xinjiang"
Well, we both know that statement ridiculous and I am surprised you even went to that argument. Of course I realize you are typing your opinion on the internet for everyone to see, and not telling them to me while walking down the street.
Tibet was never part of China and China never part of Tibet. In pre Buddhist Tibet the Champa people and other Tibetans were hardy and fierce warriors who the Chinese emperors hired the to be mercenary forces to protect China from invaders to the North. Later when Buddhism came to Tibet from India, in several generations in the six century Tibet transformed from the warrior guides of the Chinese to the spiritual guides. The Emperors relied on the high Tibetan lamas as spiritual guides. Tibet and China coexisted as separate, but interdependent countries for many centuries. The roles were reversed during this time with China taking on the occasional task of protecting Tibet militarily.
To propose that Tibet is a lynch pin in Chinese stability with the West is at best absurd. And at worst paranoid. China is in Tibet for the natural resources, minerals mainly. And Tibet is so far away and isolated from the West that there's no threat that the land of Tibet could ever be a strong hold of western power.
And the issues between China and the West are about economic competition. And even in that arena China and the West are interdependent now.
But getting back to Tibet, the Tibetans don't consider themselves Chinese and the Han Chinese don't like Tibetans very much and treat them very poorly. What you call a great gathering of Chinese peoples is more along the lines of one culture force assimilating another culture. It's true that you say the Chinese don't make war with other countries, instead they take the land or buy it or lease it, bring in enough Han people to push out the native inhabitants. This is the age old way Chinese governments have fought.
Let's call it what it really is, economic and cultural colonial governance. We (the major Western countries) did it and we still to a certain extent still do it. China does it now and it's particularly virulent type pf economic colonialism in Africa because the Han in China find it uncomfortable to assimilate into other cultures when they go on economic missions.
When Han people choose to migrate to another country they assimilate, when they are sent or go for cultural/economic reasons they tend to stay together and push out the native groups by vying for the bet real estate. Case in point being Tibetans.
When I was a student for a short time in China I used to talk to the cook of my dormitory. I also made friends with the janitor and drank tea with him after he finished work. After we drank some tea, we then drank some wine with fruit in it, kind of like a Chinese version of sangria. After we got a bit drunk he would fry us some eggs. He was a modest man who liked me because I would talk to him even though I was a special student and he was a janitor. It was mildly scandalous to the Chinese instructors that I would be seen drinking and socializing with the 'lowly' janitor. But he and I had fantastic conversations as he was an astute man; and my contemporary American students were jealous that I had been taken into the home of Chinese person and learned about China from an average guy instead of books.
Later the Cook and I had much the same relationship, we talked about China and the West, and he said to me: Just because you are engaged in these conversations with the janitor about life in China don't think you know very much or are getting an insider view. He said to me, you look at things with your American eyes and you need to stop doing that to really see. It was then that I tried carefully to not interpret China through my experience of being an American, but to try to imagine what it would be like to be in that culture.
The Janitor said one day I like your companionship because you remind me of my son who was sent out to the West end of the country to work. So I was able to just relate to him as just a guy, not a Chinese guy, but just a guy and we talked about Micheal Jackson, French Impressionism and how snobby the teachers were. So now when I read about China in Africa I think, well the world is changing and everyone is competing for the energy or the minerals and thats the way it is. But I always hope on a personal level they will turn around what the cook said to me and look at things from the perspective of the other culture.
My opinion is that China is an ancient country that has kept to itself for a few thousand years and now it's entering into the world like sacared little turtle poking it's head out of its shell. And the rest of the world is saying: Great China! We're ready for you to come out and play!
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Date Apr. 24 2011 4:14:12
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Ruphus
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RE: Is China a comunist country (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Hey Stephen,
I am once again impressed by your wisdom.
There is only one point that I like to question.
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And the issues between China and the West are about economic competition. And even in that arena China and the West are interdependent now.
Huh? Not at all. China now is the main economical dependency for the West. At the beginning of those 20 years that you mention it was just for cheap labour for western markets, now since years it is China as most potential customer field.
To western combines local and traditional markets now are of secondary concern, with their main focus on turn over in China.
And for decisive difference of China´s historical policies and current / future ones:
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Let's call it what it really is, economic and cultural colonial governance. We (the major Western countries) did it and we still to a certain extent still do it. China does it now and it's particularly virulent type pf economic colonialism in Africa because the Han in China find it uncomfortable to assimilate into other cultures when they go on economic missions.
In history China did not make use of its imperial potential, and that´s what is and will be differen this time.
Unlike the admirable historical policy that let the Chinese only trade with foreign countries, restraining from occupying or exploiting; and in the end even burn down its fleet to wholy withdraw from foreign exchange, this time there will be no such humbleness.
Instead there is turbo capitalism developing, with no consideration for whatsoever other than profit.
In the end there are three things to be considered, though little known. On is the strong Chinese tradition of pecuniary priority and second the dismiss of foreign culture ( and race ). Right, little has been heard of it outside of China, but the Chinese consider themselves superiour race, and while that attitude slumbered during the "socialist" times it has outlasted still, to becoming progressively effective with the economical uprise and rapidly growing international ventures.
And thirdly there is the indifference for fellow creatures and environment proper to Asian mentality in general, which will not exactly continue and support the little of concern that western common sense has been able to raise over the past decades.
Having said that, the Chinese government did learn a bit from modern western concerns about environment during the past ~ 8 years. But that probably only after western scientists predicted the end of Chinas economical boom based on cost of environment, with following environmental repair investments then 10 times exceeding foregone profits.
Considering that all we are currently occupied with being nothing but temporary artificial constructs, while definite dependency and circumstances like environment going down hill, the uprise of Chinese economcial and political power will be anything but out of all promissing to progress of intellectual, social and before all environmental concerns.
Guess who is already being the greatest lumberer in the remaining primare woods world wide? Who the biggest importer of mineral ressources?
You take that food, I show you the unspeakable suffering it came with.
Ruphus
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