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RE: ricardo marlow - cafe sole Tab
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Mark2
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 RE: ricardo marlow - cafe sole Tab (in reply to Florian)
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It was just that one time. I was invited to a party at a club that I did a gig at and the owner told me to bring my guitar because ottmar was going to be there. He walked in with three or four women. He was very nice and me and the guitarist from the flamenco show played a number of his tunes with him. A guy I met a few years ago plays with him all the time, he's not really a flamenco player, but he is a very good guitarist and musician.
Before I got into flamenco, I played in many bands, and one in particular got to open for many famous acts. Opening though, is hardly the same as playing with a famous act. Once we opened for Santana, and he invited us up to jam with him on a tune-he announced it from the stage. I was relaxing in the audience with the other guitarist from our group, and we looked at each other and said "holy ****!" We ran backstage to grab our guitars and made it to the side of the stage when we realized that there were no spare amps on stage to plug into. The timbale player in our band was already on stage, jamming with Carlos, huge smile on his face.
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ORIGINAL: Florian
lol Mark i had no idea you played with him, i dont remember you ever mentioning it before ...the guy did alright for himself with that tune
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After all, it was their wedding, not a concert, and we were being paid a lot of money. Far be it from me to deny a bride joy on her wedding day.
exactly, i think you did the right thing...sometimes you have to do what you have to do
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Date Apr. 10 2011 21:52:15
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Mark2
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RE: ricardo marlow - cafe sole Tab (in reply to El Kiko)
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Well hell man, let's hear a few of them. I have to admit, I never felt the way you did when it came to playing for money. If I felt I could do a decent job, I took the gig, no matter if it was jazz, funk, rock, blues, even disco. In 1979 disco was huge, and I was 21 years young, playing in a show band with horns, touring the northwestern part of the US. We played five sets a night, six nights a week. I got paid about 250.00 dollars a week, which actually was pretty decent money back then. Even playing Donna Summer tunes, I was a pretty happy guy just to be playing music full time.
Oh, and I have never felt I was payed too much money! Is that what you meant? that you got paid too much?
And I also never play for free, no matter how bad I'm playing! I'd rather play at home than play in a club for free. Damm capitalist gringo! That's me.
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interesting story ..I have many similar ...but the main reason i eventually left the commercial music "scene" was the playing for money thing............and I did play in a lot of studios and concerts with very , very, well known artists....sometimes too much...however....
it's a musical prostitute..........you play what I say ......I give you money ..........
hmmm.........
so i made another band ...and played in bars for free..........went really good .....and we can play anywhere ..cos its free....(or a few beers, petrol...whatever......)
so now I went back to being a technician.and play what I want to ....free.....!!
its great ....so I miss a bit of compass here and there ...........I am alone here now ....but I can do what I want cos ....it's free !!
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Date Apr. 10 2011 22:04:53
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RE: ricardo marlow - cafe sole Tab (in reply to rombsix)
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When were you there last
mhm, thats an interesting story, ramzi. even if you got that student, its rare that a student just takes 1 lesson, right? unless they didnt like you from the first lesson, so assuming that student take at least 2 lessons before deciding if they want to stay with that teacher for a longer time or not, they would have spent at least $10, right?
last time I was there was 4 years ago, stayed in Amman for 1 month. I remember no one cared about music, there was no concerts, no music related ads, no one knew what flamenco was, there was few Oud players (which I thought should be popular there).
Omar, Im not trying to offend you or anything, I just had these questions in mind,and I wanted to make sure you had a good teacher. maybe things have changed, I dont know.but I know that theres no camels and tents.
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Date Apr. 10 2011 22:44:33
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orsonw
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RE: ricardo marlow - cafe sole Tab (in reply to mezzo)
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It's the first time I heard about this "ritmo de tierra".
It's often talked about but not so well explained as this. People say feel bulerias in 6s and this is essentially the same thing. Just listen to the palmas and the baile.
For me this 6s feel is the key to bulerias rhythm. Not to forget altogether about 12 beats, they exist and they are important but I don't feel them as the groove, instead I feel the 'basé' or 'tierra del tiempo' (12,2,4,6,8,10 to relate to 12 beats but really it's just 1,2,3 1,2,3 )
Check this thread, Jason made a palmas video that explains it too.
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=112910&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=jason%2Cpalmas&tmode=&smode=&s=#113220
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Date Apr. 10 2011 22:46:44
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mezzo
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RE: ricardo marlow - cafe sole Tab (in reply to orsonw)
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It's often talked about but not so well explained as this. People say feel bulerias in 6s and this is essentially the same thing. Just listen to the palmas and the baile.
For me this 6s feel is the key to bulerias rhythm. Not to forget altogether about 12 beats, they exist and they are important but I don't feel them as the groove, instead I feel the 'basé' or 'tierra del tiempo' (12,2,4,6,8,10 to relate to 12 beats but really it's just 1,2,3 1,2,3 )
Check this thread, Jason made a palmas video that explains it too.
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=112910&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=jason%2Cpalmas&tmode=&smode=&s=#113220
Yes orsonw the medio compas feel. Thanks 
But the guy explain something more in the vid coz clapping palmas is a thing and transposing this to the guitar strumming pattern is another.
This is what I mean when I said it's the first time i heard about the tierra.
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