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Randy Reynolds

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Janne H)

This was a special commission from an southwest Indian art collector called the "Rainbow Dancer". Fun to do!

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TANúñez

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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Here you have one of my favorites. Olivewood and bloodwood on Cedar.

Anders, what do you use to fill in the spaces between the Olivewood? That's my personal favorite of your rosettes by the way. I also really like the one.

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Ruphus

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

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ORIGINAL: Randy Reynolds

This was a special commission from an southwest Indian art collector called the "Rainbow Dancer". Fun to do!

And fun to look at!
I dowloaded the picture with your kind permission.

Ruphus

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Janne H)

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Does anyone here have (or have seen) any steel guitar like rosettes on classical/flamenco guitars, like solid wood ones? Pics or links? Just to see how it fits...

Check out Peter Tsiorba, Les Stansell, Jeffrey Elliott...

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El Kiko

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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That's pretty much Jose Romanillos' trademark,

Yes you right I just found this,,,,,,,,,
I do like it though...........

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 25 2011 21:14:52

estebanana

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

I'm making a few new rosettes next week as soon as I wrap up this laborious seven string.

I wrote a funny blog about rosettes you can read it here: http://hieronymusguitaricus.blogspot.com/2011/02/roses-of-baetica.html

I'm going to add two more parts to it as soon as I have time. But nice stuff everyone I'm inspired.

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birussell

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

from the builders perspective, is the wood inlay (like one of anders rosettes) easier to make than the mosaic tile rosettes? I've only done the mosaic tile way and its pretty hectic to make all the veneers for the veneer log.

I think i'll try this type of wood inlay for my next guitar, I think it's an interesting mosaic design because each rosette is different and it looks organic

What is the black strip in between all of the olivewood on the rosette on the previous page?

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Ruphus)

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ORIGINAL: Ruphus

What I´d like to see ( and think to have seen somwhere ) would be the classical greek ornamentation.

Ruphus

Perhaps you're thinking of Torres' FE08. There are photos of Brian Cohen's copy here:

http://tinyurl.com/4e3hodh

The meander pattern appears on the back and sides. Romanillos shows how to construct it in his book on Torres.

RNJ

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 26 2011 6:15:53

orsonw

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to birussell)

Here is a 1931 Domingo Esteso to enjoy.

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Ruphus

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

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ORIGINAL: Ruphus

What I´d like to see ( and think to have seen somwhere ) would be the classical greek ornamentation.

Ruphus

Perhaps you're thinking of Torres' FE08. There are photos of Brian Cohen's copy here:

http://tinyurl.com/4e3hodh

The meander pattern appears on the back and sides. Romanillos shows how to construct it in his book on Torres.

RNJ

Thank you, Richard, for the link!
Just tried to look at it, but couldn´t access ( for the censoring here ).

Ruphus

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 26 2011 9:52:05

Richard Jernigan

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Ruphus)

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ORIGINAL: Ruphus

Thank you, Richard, for the link!
Just tried to look at it, but couldn´t access ( for the censoring here ).

Ruphus

Here's the back.

RNJ

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 26 2011 19:23:34

Richard Jernigan

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Ruphus)

...and here's the rosette:

RNJ

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 26 2011 19:27:47

gbv1158

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Harry)

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I love Anders' Rosettes because they look very very organic.

me too!

the beauty is in the orginal semplicty plus olivewood.

ciao,
Giambattista

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TANúñez

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

I like Aaron Green's better. Along the same lines but not as busy leaving out the last outer and inner rings.

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to TANúñez)

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ORIGINAL: TANúñez

I like Aaron Green's better. Along the same lines but not as busy leaving out the last outer and inner rings.

I agree. Torres' FE08 is a bit over the top for my taste--but he did win the big prize with it.

The mother of pearl Manuel Ramirez posted above was also meant to illustrate earlier times, not to exemplify my taste.

RNJ

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estebanana

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

well by those standards I'm simple :)

My friend Nina named this guitar Las Cometas because the green and white braid is long and drawn out, we thought it looked cometish.

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estebanana

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

Then there was this from 2006 also, I called this the kitchen sink rosette.
I used all the left overs in my tile kit, everything but the kitchen sink.

Coarse, but I liked it and I've seen worse.

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estebanana

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

From three years ago, the fruit loop, I can't believe I used those fruit loop colors.
And the router slip, filled with braid.....:)

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estebanana

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

This one is kinda festive, I like the braid to go one way like some of Manuel de la Chica guitars. As if, right.
My old label which I'm thinking of switching back to.

So I'm all over the map, but right now I have been working on a simple what I call rings of Saturn variation on the Santos rose I showed earlier.
Sort of like that Esteso rose.
I can't make the same rosette every time, but I'm working toward a closer variation on a theme style.
Not so much difference between each one, but still simple.

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estebanana

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

And a fast & dirty vihuela rose and bridge.
My old girlfriend was a soprano who sang early music.
I made this vihuela for her group at that time, Ensemble Calisto.
They recorded with this vihuela and it sounded quite lovely.
I wish I could get some real parchment instead of water color paper.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

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well by those standards I'm simple

Simple is good. I dont like these totally overdone big rosettes. They completely dominate the guitar. The Hauser rosette that Orson posted is very beautifull.

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Ruphus

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

Thanks again, Richard, for providing the photos.
For me too, that would be a bit too much of ornamentation, eventhough it demonstrates admirable precision work.

Having said that, what impresses me personally is how old school luthiers and carpenters would accomplish miniature inlays with the humble means of their time. ( Like with the original from Torres.)

Then again, I and likely vast of contemporarys are about to realize that not only younger history but ancient and even prehistorical times were not remotely as primitive and ungraceful as we used to think until lately.

Yesterday I saw a documentary about ancient devices. Some from thousands of years ago.
Like for instance an hydraulic automat for handwashing.
After receiving a coin the automat would first release a soap ball and then run water.
And that thing is still functioning today!

Already cavemen´s tool making was incredibly advanced and ergonomically sophisticated.
The clock is being predated for a couple of tenth of thousand years back to match the actual period of modern homo sapiens ( and neandertaler, for that matter ), which again and altogether helps evaluating actual status quo ( and its partially unbelievable / destructive backwardedness ).

Below the deco of a guitar of mine.

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Flamingrae

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

Mmmmmm.... lots of styles. This is my first try of making the central motive using natural veneers. I'm trying to get a signature rosette sorted.

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Ruphus

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

Nice! I dig it.

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estebanana

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to Randy Reynolds)

I just found this old one, I think it's rather weird now.

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

1964 Ramirez

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to orsonw)

1953 Barbero

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orsonw

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to orsonw)

Santos Hernandez

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Escribano

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RE: About rosettes (in reply to TANúñez)

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Anders, what do you use to fill in the spaces between the Olivewood? That's my personal favorite of your rosettes by the way.

It's mine too because the olive wood came from a pile of leña, which is such an important part of life in the mountains of Andalucía for many months of the year. It's the only source of heat for most. I can still smell its comfy aroma from the estufa that Anders gave me. Hapy days.

A direct connection from Andalusian life to the guitar.

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