RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (no trolling)

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estebanana

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Pimientito)

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What part of England are you from?

I love this, I've never been asked this. Ha ha , I've been mistaken for Dutch German, or even Spanish, but never English!

I feel like Austin Powers now. All you English guys are just variations on John Steed and 007 right?

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XXX

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana
I hate when Yuppie art directors say impactful. Is it impactful? Why can't they just say: Does it have impact?

Do you think it is mistakeful?

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Ron.M

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

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All you English guys are just variations on John Steed and 007 right?

Unless you're Shcottish of courshe...

"Sh*t"

What Sean Connery shays to his dog.

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Pimientito

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

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How is your build going sounds bad to my ear

You are right, that is bad English...my apologies. Your original post implied that the noun build was incorrect.

My peeve is when people vocalise initials for statements like
O....M....G! Total B...S!

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Pimientito)

I was like...TOTALLY O-M-G!!!!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 8:34:50

XXX

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Pimientito)

I think you can verbalize (ie make a verb of it) any noun. If somebody says you cant, then he is just smartassing...

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kovachian

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Ron.M)

I think Sir Connery would like to have a word with you.

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Unless you're Shcottish of courshe...

"Sh*t"

What Sean Connery shays to his dog.

cheers,

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 15:20:35

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

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Estevan

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Escribano)

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You should hear my colleages at Microsoft:

"Playbook" - how to do something
"Go to" as a noun i.e. where to go for help
"Ask" - as a noun i.e. this is our ask
"Battlecard" - competive information
"Call to action" - go do something
"Reach out" - ask for help
"Ecosystem" - people selling stuff

yadda yadda....

IT people are particularly fond of linguistic atrocities.

I hope you haven't (as I have) heard the word "architect" misused as a verb.
"Once we agree on a concept we can architect it out"

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I hate when Yuppie art directors say impactful. Is it impactful? Why can't they just say: Does it have impact?

A fair question. And why must they say "How will this impact on your deliverables"?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 15:57:32

estebanana

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

There is a part of English I think called the Gerund where a noun interchanges as a verb by adding ing. Kerf is a noun, the width of a saw cut, but kerfing is a verb. Even that one gets mixed up.

Not to remisrepresent any this information because that would an delusional proposition.

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estebanana

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to XXX)

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If somebody says you cant, then he is just smartassing...

You need a comma behind the *n* in can't. Or did you misspell Kant as in using Kant as a noun?

Using ...after a word means -more to follow- did you really means to punctuate that way? Leading one to think that it is the penultimate statement you want to make...

(punktwouashun trollers unite)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 16:06:01

Andy Culpepper

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

I've also heard "kerfing" used as a noun instead of "kerfed lining".
I think that makes it a Gerundino!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 16:08:29

Andy Culpepper

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

Actually the ellipsis "..." is supposed to be used to denote words missing from a text.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 16:12:02

Escribano

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

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Actually the ellipsis "..." is supposed to be used to denote words missing from a text.

It can also indicate unifinished thought or a pause in dialogue.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 17:56:14

Ron.M

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to bursche)

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I was like...TOTALLY O-M-G!!!!!!

That's EXACTLY how my daughter speaks on her mobile.

Party, used as a verb is also something fairly new in British English (imported from America).
When I was younger it was always "going to a party" etc.

Doesn't upset me though. Some American English expressions are just spot-on and funny in describing things.

Like "get outta my face"

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 18:35:35

Richard Jernigan

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

It's annoying to us old farts when words and phrases change meaning during the constant and rapid evolution of language.

"Begs the question" now means "raises the question", while it used to mean "assumes the conclusion".

"He is all about impactfulness" means "His main focus is to have an impact."

One used to be able to use the phrase "in gay profusion" without referring to homosexuality.

Verbs morphing into nouns is a major trend in modern "English".

New Zealand and Australian pronunciations sound decidedly weird to my American ears.

Some time during the Reagan administration the Queen took elocution lessons and became much more intelligible.

BBC English now sounds much more American to me than it did 40 years ago when I spent time in the UK.

"O tempora, O mores!"

RNJ

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BarkellWH

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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Verbs morphing into nouns is a major trend in modern "English".

Not to mention nouns morphing into verbs. I wonder how many of you who are "parents" engage in "parenting"?

Cheers,

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 19:11:58

Ron.M

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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Some time during the Reagan administration the Queen took elocution lessons and became much more intelligible.

Although, Prince Philip still says things like..

"We are taking the guns and the hinds for some grice shooting...."

(While thinking..."I do hope there are no slitty-eyed, yellow buggers from that dreadful Chinese Embassy there this year..." )

cheers,

Ron

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Estevan

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to BarkellWH)

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Not to mention nouns morphing into verbs.

Has a luthier ever "gifted" you with a guitar?

(whether or not he was a gifted luthier).

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I wonder how many of you who are "parents" engage in "parenting"?

Of course parents do parenting in the same way that guitarists do guitaristing, either soloing or accompanisting for dancers doing their dancering or singers doing their singering.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2011 20:45:37

Ramon Amira

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

One of the most EGREGIOUS cases of TRANSMOGRIFYING a phrase is the phrase "I couldn't care less," which obviously means "I don't really care," but you will now hear it expressed as "I could care less," which of course means exactly the opposite of the intended sentiment.

Apart from things like that, and apart from the kind of grating usages already pointed out, there are the just plain wrong usages, and misspellings. For one, "misspelling" is frequently misspelled as "mispelling." Then I constantly see – in newspapers no less, where one would hope a reporter would know better – instead of "pored," lines like "he poured over the papers." (they must gave gotten pretty wet.)

Then for years now I see the word "renowned" being rendered as "renown." They would say something like "Paco de Lucia is renown for his guitar playing." No, Paco de Lucia is not "renown" for his guitar playing – he is renowned for it. And because he is renowned, he has great renown (noun).

Then there are things like describing someone's strong point at his "for-tay," with the accent on the second syllable. This is not even an alternate or secondary pronunciation. The word is correctly and only pronounced as "fort." Even the musical term "forte" has the accent on the first syllable.

More to come . . . . .

Ramon

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Doitsujin

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

Is this thread still about these Diaz-guitars? 5 pages..is a lot. Just imagine Diaz would be here..than the thread would have 20 pages I guess..^^

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Ramon Amira

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Doitsujin)

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Is this thread still about these Diaz-guitars? 5 pages..is a lot. Just imagine Diaz would be here..than the thread would have 20 pages I guess..^^

If Diaz wants to post we could tell him it will cost him $100, but that Paco de Lucia said it's worth it.

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XXX

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Ramon Amira)

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ORIGINAL: Prominent Critic

One of the most EGREGIOUS cases of TRANSMOGRIFYING a phrase is the phrase "I couldn't care less," which obviously means "I don't really care," but you will now hear it expressed as "I could care less," which of course means exactly the opposite of the intended sentiment.

Well it depends. Could can also be used as "can" and the fact that you "cannot" care less could (or can

) also mean that it is an exiting matter!

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

Well, catching up on this thread has been a total waste of my time. Here I am wanting to read about people's experiences with Andalusia guitars and instead there's a debate on usage of the English language.

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estebanana

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Yojimbo)

For the rest of us it's been most enjoyable, if not therapeutic.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 26 2011 1:27:04

Yojimbo

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

Well of course you have to say that. You're the guy polluting this thread.

Why not open a new one with an appropriate title - so I can ignore it?

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Adam

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to Yojimbo)

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ORIGINAL: Ron.M

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Everyone has language bugaboos and pet peeves. How is your build - and - Where you at- are two things that sound horrible to me.

I hate when folk in the UK say "step up to the plate".
There is no fuccking plate in the UK except for a dinner plate.

You got that expression from Americans who in turn got it from baseball, where the term "step up to the plate" makes complete sense.

But given that it makes absolutely no sense on the right side of the pond, I haven't got a clue why you guys adopted that!

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ORIGINAL: Yojimbo

Well of course you have to say that. You're the guy polluting this thread.

Why not open a new one with an appropriate title - so I can ignore it?

Oh bugger off.

(I don't know what that means, but I've heard people here in England say it.)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 26 2011 16:02:30

Yojimbo

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

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Oh bugger off.

(I don't know what that means, but I've heard people here in England say it.)

Bite me.

Everyone knows what that means - even the English.

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estebanana

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RE: "Andalusian" Guitars (... (in reply to estebanana)

The thread morphed into a funny discussion of language, until you started insulting people. Threads change from one topic to another, that is how conversations work.

The guy who sells those guitars had a chance to be in the mix here with others who sell guitars and he could not coexist with them. He blew his chance to be here and it left a really bad aftertaste. The internet has plenty of room to set up another place to talk about that stuff.

If you want a good student guitar buy a Montalvo, he's a nice guy who sells them and he does not cheat people or false advertise. Here:

http://www.berkeleymusic.com/

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