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Haydn

 

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Pxi continuous rasgueado 

Sorry about posting another rasgueado thread guys

Currently I'm working through Paco Peña's Toques Flamenco book and have encountered this Pxi rasgueado. The problem is no matter how much I work on this particular rasgueado I cannot make it sound as powerful and smooth as the other I know

I wondered if any of you flamenco pros could give me any advice?

Thanks in advance, guys
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 12:42:17
 
yohan

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Haydn

Which track and page is that rasgueado in the book? its a tresillio right?

I never use my pinky anymore I would advice to just use PAI instead, it works way better, and the sound is better imo. (im not a flamenco pro btw )
so: P up - A down - I down.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 12:56:49
 
Haydn

 

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to yohan

It's actually in the introduction and explanation of the techniques used; page 6.

I am actually planning to make Pai my next rasgueado to learn I figure the more I know, the more variety I have at my disposal
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 13:03:18
 
Elie

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Haydn

I went through all pieces on Toques Flamencos and I Can't remember that I used pxi at all

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 13:09:54
 
Ramon Amira

 

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Haydn

quote:

I cannot make it sound as powerful


That's because X is a weak finger, and it's a pointless rasgueado. Why not just use P up - M down - I down. Makes for a strong, smooth, and easy to execute continuous rasgueado.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 14:05:03
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Haydn

The tresillo or abanico can be played. pxi, pai, pmi and pmp. learn them all and use what suits you the best. I personally play pmp.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 15:48:19
 
at_leo_87

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Anders Eliasson

quote:

learn them all and use what suits you the best. I personally play pmp.

me too. or p(ma)p for a fatter but less sharp sound.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 17:14:15
 
Ron.M

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Haydn

quote:

Currently I'm working through Paco Peña's Toques Flamenco book and have encountered this Pxi rasgueado.


quote:

That's because X is a weak finger, and it's a pointless rasgueado.



...until you hear/see Paco Peña doing it live....

Very impressive, make no mistake...he really rips the guitar up with it.

The idea of the x being a "weak finger" doesn't even come into it as ALL the movement is from the wrist.

As Anders says, choose ANY combination that works best for you.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 18:02:17
 
dararith

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Haydn

From a technical point of view, I'm not sure how 'powerful' it can sound. Sure everybody has their own levels of what sound we can potentially make, some on the less powerful end (myself) and others on the higher end (Pena). If the strokes are all the same (up, down, down) as in the case with pai, pmp, pmi, etc, they should all technically sound the same....but they don't. Even though the strumming direction is the same, the interval or spacing between each note can sound different based on how comfortable we are with moving our fingers a certain way. Not to mention the size of our pinky vs our middle or index fingers--that will be a sound change as well.

Long story short, pxi is supposed to sound different from the other collection of triplet rasgueados used. Though I'm sure with much practice, you can control the strength/angle of your fingers at will that you can have a wide variety of color to use...some that may overlap the sound of other rasgueados used as well.

I rant too much. Practice on! (I like pmp, and I'm now discovering the awesome sound quality of pai and use that a lot...)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 18:51:38
 
dararith

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to dararith

Not to steal the thread away, but...it can actually help. Anyone notice a sound change from doing really fast continous aii (down a, down a, up i) and continous mii (down m, down i, up i)?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 4 2011 18:55:35
 
Stu

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to dararith

on a side note...i learnt a decent rasgueado from socrates mastradimos a few months back...hadnt played or seen it before

its a four stroke abanico

P up, A down, I down, P down.

very satisfying to play...may try to post a vid if i can get it together.
Anyone use this rasg??
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2011 0:39:52
 
mrMagenta

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Stu

I like that one, but mostly for bursts or to start a rasgueado sequence, and not continously.

I think Enrique Vargas has it in his rasgueado teaching material. Haven't seen it in many other palces..
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2011 0:57:05
 
sean65

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

The idea of the x being a "weak finger" doesn't even come into it as ALL the movement is from the wrist.


I've just discovered this and it's a revelation!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2011 6:26:28
 
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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Haydn

Hey dararith! Since you uploaded your avatar I was thinking that your picture reminds me on somebody.. I finally found out! Link from Zelda. (except the ears..of course)

Thats not the best fitting picture but the hairstyle fits. There must have been a better picture in past, where link looked up in the cam like you, which I had in mind. Zelda was a great game. I had it for game boy when I was much younger.




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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2011 9:07:19
 
Haydn

 

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Ron.M

Ah! I get it now!

I was using too much motion from my fingers. Turning my wrist just makes the notes roll out, all smooth and clearly separated

Thanks for all the help guys.

On another note: what are the "must know" rasgueados? Y'know, the ones you wouldn't leave the house without (I have a feeling this question might cause a bit of debate...)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2011 9:11:50
 
orsonw

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Stu

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its a four stroke abanico

P up, A down, I down, P down.


El Nani is credited with creating this. It's commonly used by Caño Roto players like El Viejín.
I've also seen Rafael Cortés use it and I think Socrates makes very good use of it.
I like to use it too, it's a good one. I think the more rasgeos one knows the better. They all have a different colour and feeling even if the notes when written in notation would be exactly the same.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2011 9:30:52

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Doitsujin

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Hey dararith! Since you uploaded your avatar I was thinking that your picture reminds me on somebody.. I finally found out! Link from Zelda. (except the ears..of course)


I think he looks more like Davey Havok, lead singer of AFI.

TK

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 5 2011 15:04:34
 
dararith

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RE: Pxi continuous rasgueado (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

On another note: what are the "must know" rasgueados? Y'know, the ones you wouldn't leave the house without (I have a feeling this question might cause a bit of debate...)


Not sure what are 'have-to's'...but I like amii, pai, p(am)p, and iai. Those are the ones I use frequently. Although there are many variants, I like the sound of amii when you flick it off the thumb for that snappy sound.

quote:

Hey dararith! Since you uploaded your avatar I was thinking that your picture reminds me on somebody.. I finally found out! Link from Zelda. (except the ears..of course)

Thats not the best fitting picture but the hairstyle fits. There must have been a better picture in past, where link looked up in the cam like you, which I had in mind. Zelda was a great game. I had it for game boy when I was much younger.


I actually like the game Zelda a lot. Link's Awakening and A Link to the Past are classics! Ocarina of time was good too. Now they're getting all fancy with the newer stuff and I haven't had time to keep up with Twilight Princess and such. = /

quote:

I think he looks more like Davey Havok, lead singer of AFI.


I just googled Davey. All I can say is...wow. Haha.
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