Rio de la Miel - Transcription

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Arash

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Rio de la Miel - Transcription

Does anyone have a full accurate transcription of Rio de la Miel?

I have bits and pieces (like the tremolo part) and also figured out a lot from watching Videos and slowing them down.

There is also a part in Moderntoque.

But a full complete transcription would be the icing on the cake.

I also had some tabs, which were totally wrong when i compared them to PAcos Videos. So they moved to trash bin.

You could also PM me.
I also have tabs and other stuff for exchange.

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Arash

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Arash)

i also have one ( i think from alain faucher) which looks like this.
but i can't read notes, just tabs

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brad

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Arash)

Where can I find that video?

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Arash

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to brad)

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ORIGINAL: brad

Where can I find that video?

you mean the falseta which Grisha played?

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=156803&appid=&p=&mpage=3&key=&tmode=&smode=&s=#160257

its just one falseta though, not the whole piece.. just to avoid misunderstandings

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Arash

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Arash)

edit : wrong thread

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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Arash)

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but i can't read notes, just tabs

Have you considered learning? It's not that difficult.

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Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

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Have you considered learning? It's not that difficult.

If you're not joking, than you must have a great ear and are an amazing guitarist.

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Arash

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Paul Magnussen)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

quote:

but i can't read notes, just tabs

Have you considered learning? It's not that difficult.

i guess i am just too lazy to learn reading notes , because tabs did it for me till now and i am not in to classical music either.

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Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Arash)

You should learn to read Arash, the benefits are immense.

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Doitsujin

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Arash)

Arash you posted a video of a guy playing it. Try to learn the buleria from that video. Its not so hard I guess.

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Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Arash)

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Are they?

I know how to read music and in flamenco it hasn't benefited me any way...

Well than that's your problem if you do not know how to use the tool you claim to have at hand, but its not mine.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 3 2011 21:07:52

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 3 2011 21:14:50

Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Arash)

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Lol, you don't make any sense. You said it would help him "immensely". I disagree when it comes to flamenco. 99% of flamenco transcriptions out there are not in musical notation. He said himself he is not geared towards classical.

99% of flamenco transcriptions out there have both notation and tab, if you look at the transcription above it tells you everything you need to know about the piece. Because I know how to read and have an understanding of harmony I can see before i even hear the piece how its going to sound. Notation gives me a better understanding of what the composer is thinking and helps me develop my own ideas of composition. Music is about harmony and melody and notion clearly shows that, what does notion do-- it shows uou where to place your fingers. Tab is basically paint by numbers, with no understanding of why the colors work well to create something that is coherent.

But than I guess you may be right, I mean if one just wants to play a piece without having a deep understanding of what they are playing, thats fine. I guess ignorance is bliss after all.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 3 2011 21:43:47

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Rain)

i recently wrote a piece of music...i have no theoretical understanding of harmony and melody...i can only read and write tab...so what i wrote is what? is it not music? does it have no beauty? is it not deep? am i ignorant?

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orsonw

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

Most flamencos learn by ear not reading music or even tabs. If the results are musically ignorant then I guess I'm happy to be ignorant too.

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Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

Congrats with your recent composition, and yes you are ignorant when it comes to reading music and having an understanding of harmony and melody, which you stated that you have no understanding of. But you are not ignorant when it comes to knowing that you have no understanding of harmony or melody as you stated. I say good for you.

Look folks if you believe that not being able to read music and have some understanding of harmony will not better you as a musician, thats just fine. But perhaps you should really consider it's benefits. Knowledge is good thing no?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 3 2011 22:08:07

Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to orsonw)

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Most flamencos learn by ear not reading music or even tabs. If that's ignorance then I guess I'm happy to be ignorant too.

Grisha talks on another thread about not using written music or tabs to learn a piece, he uses his ears.

You're right most flamencos do learn by ear and not reading, but most of the people on this site are requesting tabs and sheet music, as well purchasing them.

Grisha states that he transcribes all the music he plays, but I would bet thousands of dollars that he can read and he has an understanding of harmony. As well I bet that his transcriptions that he most likely writes down is in notation.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 3 2011 22:15:00

orsonw

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Rain)

Yes, I'm sure you are right about Grisha (That's why I edited that bit out but you'd read it already)

I can see it could be helpful to learn about theory but there's only so much time in the day! I don't use tabs, I use my ears so there's no motivation to learn to read. I do enjoy when people discuss flamenco in terms of theory on the foro, though it's mainly over my head!
I tend to prefer more instinctive music made by artists without formal music theory training, like blues, flamenco etc..

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Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to orsonw)

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Also I tend to prefer more instinctive music made by artists without formal music theory training, like delta blues, flamenco etc..

So do I. I come from classical/jazz background, and I love improvisation. Being able to transcribe and analyze music in notation gives me a better understanding of how things work and why they sound the way they do. I'm passionate about jazz manouche and I spent countless hours transcribing the solos of Django Reinhardt and analyzing them, and without the knowledge of harmony I would have not progressed as quickly as I have.
PDL was amazed by how easily John Mclaughlin and Al Di Meola were soloing over chords that seemed to be changing every beat, and it was thru them that he found out that you can play thais scale or that one over certain progressions. Both John and Al have a deep understanding of harmony.

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Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Guest)

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That is not true. And the best transcriptions out there are from Faucher and do not have notation.

If you really understand theory very well (like Grisha), then you can probably understand and absorb more from listening to the piece than reading it.

But hey, don't let me stop you. Keep reading flamenco, it's the best way to learn it.

Perhaps you are right, in my defense I own one book of transcriptions and that is the one of fauchers of gerardo nunez--the one with Jucal and its in notation and tab.

I have no reply to your last 2 paragraphs, because I find them ridiculous.

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Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Guest)

Shroomy726, you need to relax and think before you speak buddy. I never said that I learned anything thru just reading, I simply said that being able to read is very helpful, in that it gives you a better understanding inner workings of a piece.

As well smart guy, if knowing how to read was not advantageous our friend Arash would be well on his way to learning Rio de Miel, after all he has an almost perfect transcription of it that he posted above.

Stop-Think and than speak.

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Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Guest)

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And it sucks that you call people with a good ear "ignorant".

Just where did I say that people with a good ear are ignorant mate. I have a great respect for those people.

You seem to harping on my use of the word "immensely"
Look if you can read music and it has not been a benefit to you, thats fine with me, but to someone who wishes to compose one day it can be of tremendous use. When I see the notation of rio de miel above on this page I see scales - chords and harmonic movement that makes sense to me, and gives me a greater idea to why it sounds the way it does, even a deeper appreciation to paco de lucia's compositional skills. That is something numbers on a page can not clearly do.

I did some research regarding everything being in tab, and I found you are right that most of it is in tab, but they are in notation as well, except all of fauchers single pieces, his books are in both notation and tab as well as all of claude worms stuff.

Yes Arash is just wanting to learn the piece and not harmonize it and he could start it right now if he knew how to read, because the notation above is very accurate.

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XXX

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Rain)

What are your (flamenco) compositions, Rain?

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Doitsujin

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to Rain)

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to someone who wishes to compose one day it can be of tremendous use.

Thats right. Its much easier to compose if you have some tools. Notation is one of em.

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Rain

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RE: Rio de la Miel - Transcription (in reply to XXX)

Don't worry about what I'm doing Deniz , worry about yourself. I'm not the one with 3327 posts and very few uploads.
I would love to hear you play more than you speak, and I'm hoping to hear you play in the tomatito challenge that is coming up.
I'm in it and I hope you are.

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