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Kate

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Lucky guitar find in junk shop 

Just wanted to share my wonderful luck, with a big thank you to Pimientito for verifying that I had indeed found a great flamenco guitar for only 68 euros. Harold is mighty pleased with it and it is wonderful to hear him enjoying playing late at night after long days recording other guitarists.

I was in a junk shop killing time when I found it. I recognized the label Raimundo and was amazed at the price so I called Pimientito. later he told me he would have bought it if I hadn't. He very kindly took it away and cleaned it up, put on a new golpeador, remarking that it was s student model and looked like it hardly been played and had probably sat in a cupboard for a few years.

We found our last Spanish guitar in a junk shop as well, in Dumfries, Scotland. It was a battered old thing and Harold called it his beach guitar, one that he could take anywhere and lend anyone. Harold had lent it to Emilio and after a while asked where it was, 'se fue' was the reply, meaning ' it left', like it grew legs and walked out of his studio, clever guitar.

Anyway its wonderful to have a Spanish guitar in the house again, and no you cant borrow it !!!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 9:38:28
 
Stu

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

can I borr..... oh never mind....

great find .....out of interest.....how much dya think its worth??
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 10:33:11
 
Elie

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

congrats !!
guess I must start going to junk shops .. maybe i find a conde there

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 10:43:10
 
Escribano

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

Well done. I recall Harold's beach guitar when I was around your house once. Glad to hear it has been replaced and don't leave anything like that with Emilio again, jejeje, besos.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 10:53:47
 
Ruphus

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

Congratulations! :O)
It must be a true bargain, and I can well comprehend the joy about such finding.

Last year I scored a badly beaten up Miguel Rodriguez blanca on ebay.
Not such a bargain like yours, as buying it and the following restauration amounted to over 1500 €, but still great value for the money, considering what you get these days for such a money.
It now serves for daily practising, while the better specimens are being saved from being exposed to the low humidty here ( around 30% RH), especially now in winter time.

I have other mid-level axes, formerly used instead, but those leave me missing something in the realm of "substance in tone" as I like to call it.
The Rodriguez has that, eventhough not being as responsive like with fine concert level guitars. Aside of that it provides pretty much the typical characteristics that I hear in recordings with concert-level R. guitars. A really nice compromise between a wannabe great and a specimen that won´t make you grow grey hair about fret bars starting to protrude, as currently happening.

According to my research about possible whereabouts, during which some reknown specialists were so kind to help me out, this estudio probably has been built by Vicente Sanchis for Rodriguez. Seeing its typical properties, I dear to assume that it received a fine tuning by Rodriguez after assembly.
Yet, the eventual history being not too relevant for me, who aimed for practical aspects in the first place.

Remarkable however has been the slobbering envy that displayed when I posted in guitar forums, asking for hints on identification.
Seems like the majority won´t really embrace it when a fellow has a lucky strike.
Probably like the grudge when tourists abroad tell each other what they paid for the trip, turning out that one of them paid only half the price.

Anyway, you seem to inoy the great find and I wish you many granting friends who appreciate as if it had been their own adventure.

Best,

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 11:32:24
 
Ricardo

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

There is a cool spanish movie about luck called "Intacto", very good movie.

Anyway, one guy I know found an original 1953 Sobrinos de Esteso at a yard sale, probably less then a hundred bucks because it was all cracked on the back and sides, even some wood missing on the ribs. He had it restored by Pedro de Miguel in Madrid, via a mutual friend and a reluctant favor, and later sold the thing for $7000 I believe. I had a week or so to play on it. It was fun, but the tone was not so good as I would have had to sell one of mine to buy it at that price and did not feel it was THAT good. But still, what a lucky guy.

A friend of Gerardo Nuñez told me that once Gerardo saw a guitar head poking out the top of a dumpster that he walked past. It turned out to be a Barbero that was in not so bad shape. He fixed it up himself supposedly, but I have never seen it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 13:29:21
 
Ruphus

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

BTW, Yard sales ...
I had given a really nice and mint ovation ( bought used for 1000 DM in the mid eighties ) to a friend as present 3 years ago, who took it over to Seattle / US.
When moving away from his sister in law he left it at her place for a while. On return intending to collect his stuff, it turned out that she had offered the guitar on a yard sale for 50 bucks ( as revenge for him abandoning her sister ). The slick buyer, not pleased yet, haggled her down to 25$.

Hardly any of the six or so guitars so far given away for hopefully firing up passion of -prospective- talents seems to have fullfilled its purpose. Folks ordinarily seem not able to appricate what has come in for free.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 14:04:21
 
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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

Very cool! Congrats!

I routinely check craigslist in my area in hopes of stumbling across some luck like this.

Unfortunately, I've found that instead of people cleaning out their attics and offering up nice guitars for low prices, Craigslist is full of folks who bought crappy boxed guitars and never got around to learning. If anyone is in the market for an "authentic, mint" Esteban, I think I could point you in the right direction!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 15:39:48
 
Estevan

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

Congrats on the find!
quote:

We found our last Spanish guitar in a junk shop as well, in Dumfries, Scotland. It was a battered old thing and Harold called it his beach guitar, one that he could take anywhere and lend anyone. Harold had lent it to Emilio and after a while asked where it was, 'se fue' was the reply, meaning ' it left', like it grew legs and walked out of his studio, clever guitar.

Haha, as a tribute to Harold's runaway beach guitar here's something to remember it by - taken when I borrowed it (and gave it back!)



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2011 15:40:41
 
Kate

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Estevan

Thanks for the pic Estevan, it looks well at home in your Sacromonte second home :) Thinking about it that is probaly where it is hiding out now, unless of course ' se fue' is Spanish for it had an accident !

Stu, Pimientito reckons the Raimundo worth about 200 euros. If it had been worth more I might have considered selling it on but really Harold is playing every night and I think we keep this one. It sounds wonderful.

Ruphus we bought our nephew a beautiful 3/4 classical guitar when he was just a kid. Later he told us he thought it was just a toy and used it as a cricket bat !!!!!

Anyway nice to hear the stories of guitar finds. We picked up a Gordon Smith electric in a junk store in Camden a few years back, for next to nothing and just found it is now selling for over 1,000. And Harold once picked up a 1960 Fender Strat that nowadays go for ridiculous prices but have never known him sell an instrument yet so guess they all stay in the collection. Its certainly worth keeping an eye out in the junk shops in case they dont know what they have.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 21 2011 7:23:59
 
Pimientito

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

That was a cool find and I think a much better guitar than the old "beach guitar"
Its strange because even in Spain most second hand shops/garage sales etc. value electric guitars more than Spanish guitars. That shop had several cheap instruments but this guitar was way better, it just needed some cleaning up. I think most people who dont know anything about guitars always try to sell them second hand for 50 to 100 Euros/dollars/pounds. That means it can be anything from a chinese student guitar to a concert guitar. I have bought several second hand bargains but my once in a life time luckiest find was a Santos Hernandez that someone found covered in bird cr@p in their attic.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 21 2011 9:41:05
 
Ruphus

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kate

Ruphus we bought our nephew a beautiful 3/4 classical guitar when he was just a kid. Later he told us he thought it was just a toy and used it as a cricket bat !!!!!



Ouch! It hurts to think of it. ( Guitars to me appear a bit like living things.)

Last summer I did a similar thing, with a nice second hand 3/4 Esteve guitar for the doughter of my cousin. ( Because the instrument she had until then was so dull and clumsy, while I think that even beginners should have an instrument that inspires.) In this case the support might have been of sense, for she is still using the guitar. Maybe not too enthusiastically, but taking her lessons and practising a bit. ( Her teacher seems to be a good choice / as her planting shows fine already.)

Actually, she would prefer to sling on a cool looking electrical guitar and be a female Court Cobain, but her dad and me tried to convince her to better start out with classical guitar from which she can switch to any other kind of axe and style later on, if wanted to then.

I believe that the majority starts out with an instrument for image reasons; from there the fact which Pimientito mentions above, that the electrical guitar being the most recognized type. Noone appears as cool like rockers on stage, at best with guitars dangling down between their knees. ( The latter being the most silly practice ever in the music world. How players hinder hemselves with sheer unpractical posture, just for the looks!)
Just saying, while actually loving good old rock like of Lynnyrd Skynnyrd, Led Zep & Co.

Then again, any musical education is great for reintroducing some cultural demand and hopefully overcome the monotonous period of rap and techno that has left an indifferent, witless and insensitive landscape behind it.
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Bird poo is very acidic, and hydroscopic as well, in addition to air in attics which often is being very dry anyway.
I am curious to hear how the Santos Hernandez performed after restauration.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 21 2011 10:39:22
 
Pimientito

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Ruphus

Luckily the santos was in a case. It was the case that was covered in bird poo. It did have some body cracks that needed fixing but it sounded great once it had been restored and set up, extremely bright and loud. The only thing was it was very light and delicate and was made in the days before nylon strings so it did not make an ideal practical playing instrument. Apart from anything else I was terrified of damaging it or getting it lost/ stolen so I edventually sold it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2011 10:09:25
 
Ruphus

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

I see.
Thank you for telling!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2011 11:06:53
 
Adam

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ruphus

Bird poo is very acidic, and hydroscopic as well, in addition to air in attics which often is being very dry anyway.
I am curious to hear how the Santos Hernandez performed after restauration.

Ruphus


At long last, the foro has its very own bird poo expert!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2011 22:53:33
 
ToddK

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Adam

quote:

At long last, the foro has its very own bird poo expert!


Ruphus knows everything about everything in the whole entire universe.

He knows more than you, me, and everybody. He's always right.

Its not annoying at all, really..

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2011 23:16:43
 
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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ruphus
Noone appears as cool like rockers on stage, at best with guitars dangling down between their knees. ( The latter being the most silly practice ever in the music world. How players hinder hemselves with sheer unpractical posture, just for the looks!)

Ruphus


For some styles of playing, like for metal rythm guitar for example, having the guitar very low is highly practical because you remove tension from the wrist. They do not have their guitars hanging low for image. They have it for practical reason.
It is like Paco's new holding style. It seemed weird at the beginning, but now it seems cool, because he played some good music holding the guitar in this style.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2011 12:21:22
 
Ruphus

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to ToddK

Your lurking for poo shall be rewarded.

Funny coincindence; just yesterday I was talking ablut the same topic to a friend. Telling him how I am being insensitive in certain regard.

Being sort of an info addict myself, I lack the sense for fellow mindsets that won´t be attrackted by whereabouts that much and at times just don´t want to know.
While being insensitive to such perspective I actually respect it in regard to peripheral matters, like acidic poo. :D]

Although the latter object, due to my badly phrased post, being not the best example for your actual annoyance.
With bird ordures trait being familiar to about every car owner me in fact mentioned it to make clear why exactly I was curious to know about its effects on tone wood / not really for very information on well-kown ph conditions of dove feces.

In sight of your actual inducement, be assured that yours truely is being everything but wallowing in the deem of "knowing it all". Instead my personal hunt after interrelations and causalities, as fascinating as it mostly be, since childhood is being fired up by sensing my weakness of methexis.
Myself, I never get tired of about any informative detail; and I don´t care much about who, where, when or what style of supply; focussing on contents and tracks delivered as possible guideline.

Types like me basically tend to assume that priority on causalities / coherences to be just as exciting to everyone else.
So take my apologies for being smart-assing to you.

And for your part you could be taking the time to ask yourself why besides of bird poo examination you have been partial with the perception of being paternalized or outperformed or whatever, whereas the details that I supplied or asked obviously remaining useless.

Do you know enough already, or is there lack of self-confidence controlling perception above contents?
There are two opposed ways of premise in life.

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2011 12:54:26
 
Ruphus

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to stratos13

quote:

ORIGINAL: stratos13

For some styles of playing, like for metal rythm guitar for example, having the guitar very low is highly practical because you remove tension from the wrist. They do not have their guitars hanging low for image. They have it for practical reason.
It is like Paco's new holding style. It seemed weird at the beginning, but now it seems cool, because he played some good music holding the guitar in this style.


Very interesting.
Can you elaborate please, how exactly detouring / bending of the wrist will remove tension while reaching on the fretboard?

Ruphus
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2011 13:00:02
 
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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

In sight of your actual inducement, be assured that yours truely is being everything but wallowing in the deem of "knowing it all". Instead my personal hunt after interrelations and causalities, as fascinating as it mostly be, since childhood is being fired up by sensing my weakness of methexis.


Ruphus,

Your English is rather heavy stuff there amigo...
I have to constantly have a dictionary on hand...

It's very circa 1900's. Where did you learn it, if I am not being rather forward in my behest of your educational credentials good Sir?

May I say, however, that should you find yourself in Birmingham or Liverpool or such English cities, I trust the locals would call for an interpreter.

Only joking, Ruphus....but nobody speaks English like that anymore, mate...

Not even the Prime Minister or even Oxford and Cambridge Dons. (Tios )

(Well...maybe John Major? )

The main thrust in English these days is straightforward dialogue and communication to all.

(I tried to tell ol' gj this, but he preferred to speak in legal jargon. )

cheers,

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2011 19:24:26
 
Adam

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

And yet the grammar in his post is so bad (and some of the jargon so misplaced) that I'd be very surprised if he's a native English speaker. So what's the culprit? My guess is overzealous use of thesaurus.com.

Incidentally, Ron, I can assure you that no one at Cambridge talks like that, even the tíos People here seem to be much better with things like word choice, basic grammar, and clarity. It is a truly wonderful place.

Finally, let's all remember one important thing: if you use the word "methexis" but don't spell it in the original Greek, you're not being pedantic enough.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2011 19:40:00
 
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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Adam

quote:

People here seem to be much better with things like word choice, basic grammar, and clarity. It is a truly wonderful place.


that will be the strict diet of Shakespear and the King James Bible
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2011 20:31:51
 
XXX

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron.M
Where did you learn it, if I am not being rather forward in my behest of your educational credentials good Sir?


You mean, whereabouts?

Well maybe he learnt it in a german school. German education system is not that fast, you know?!

GJ was so cool. Very poetic. I miss his posts.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2011 20:47:29
 
Ron.M

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to XXX

quote:

You mean, whereabouts?


No Deniz...forget that bit you were taught in the German schools...

"where" is the most modern usage in English.

Personally, I like Doit's English....very expressive...like directly translated pure German thoughts.....

Yeah gj was a good guy....I'm sorry he moved on...

There are many I remember over the years....

cheers,

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Adam

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Finally, let's all remember one important thing: if you use the word "methexis" but don't spell it in the original Greek, you're not being pedantic enough.

Hear, hear!


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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Estevan

quote:


GJ was so cool.


His posts can never be replaced...

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Ron.M

Regarding the Raimundo, which model is it? I have the 145 Flamenco version, I hope it is worth more than 200 Euros, otherwise I am sad.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2011 0:17:47
 
Pimientito

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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to cathulu

@catahulu. This was a student model. Raimundo like many other manufacturers produce student models from Valencian factories with a very large output. They finish them off with their own labels. The higher models will be made by the maker(s). My first ever guitar was a cheap chinese guitar that came from a shopping catalogue but my first real guitar was a Raimundo classical that my dad got second hand. I remember it being pretty good at the time and thats why I made sure Kate picked up the bargain.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2011 8:28:48
 
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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Adam

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People here seem to be much better with things like word choice, basic grammar, and clarity.

Indubitably!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 24 2011 8:40:01
 
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RE: Lucky guitar find in junk shop (in reply to Kate

Sometimes I mess up badly, but I´m sure grammar and syntax to be not the main culprit.
I suppose what irks you is my habit of compressing semantically, more so then anything else.
At least with my experience in English forums so far, it has been that who did not like the contents claimed my language to be incomprehensible, while others replying to them that one only needed to read attentively, with some even appreciating my writing style, sensing sorts of poetic talent.

Things are almost similar with my native language, which is German. Literally or contents interested readers like it for its denseness, whereas a few dislike it for the same reason.

I notice to becoming worse in English over past years. For one, because having no conversation live with native speakers, secondly, because of obviously increasing while currently expanding with another language that is being of a very different layout.
Sometimes, when I re-read my posts and see that things have become too weird, I take them apart, simplify and stretch, but all in all I am not willing to spend more time on readjustment than I do already.

I have been through altogether seven languages, and obviously meanwhile there are steps backwards, due to age.

For who dislikes my contribution, I think he could just skip my posts or engage an ignore function, and leave my readings to those of the members who might be interested enough.


Deniz,

I find it remarkable that you like to jump on the waggon when natives critisize my English language. This now being the second time.
Do you know how long my above post would had rendered if it had been covering same contents with your brick building elementary school English?
Please be so perceptive to spare me an expertise of what you can´t overlook; thank you.

Ruphus
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