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Picado's shoulder position
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Ricardo
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 RE: Picado's shoulder position (in reply to HolyEvil)
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ORIGINAL: HolyEvil
Hey guys, especially the great players here..
Is it ok to practice picado in the classical position?
When playin in the flamenco position with the guitar over my right thigh, my shoulder gets really sore. I have very stiff shoulders and I find it hard to raise my elbow around to my shoulder height for prolong periods of time when I'm playing.
I would keep my hand position the same way as if it was in the flamenco position..
So is it ok?
No it is not ok. It does not look cool enough like paco, who IS cool and the only one you should copy. Your shoulder will get used to it if you put in enough hours holding it up that way and running fast scales all day. Use Krazy glue and la bella strings and vaseline and an orange conde hermanos if you need more inspiration to hold your arm up. Also tapping your foot in twos will help you forget the pain in your arm and neck. Remember to start now cuz you are not getting any younger. Do you think Paco complained about his shoulder when he was a poor starving child practicing guitar all day with his leg tied to a chair, just so he could one day feed his family?? If you are not warmed up, drink some alcohol and smoke some weed too and then push yourself past your comfy speed limit until it burns, you can do it. And don't sit in traditional postion cuz it is also not cool for playing jazz chords, yet not as un cool as classical position. When you get older and fatter you can use a foot stool, but not always just in case you get tired. Make sure you are also not wasting time playing traditional picados, learn your jazz modes and use a compas metronome. Practice to your camaron CDS so you can also pick up some cante accompaniment since that is the only kind of cante left, camaron style. Oh and stick your pinky OUT....just um...because it looks cool.
Ok sorry just messing with you. It was just some of your questions relate to recent threads and I couldn't resist.... 
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Date Jan. 12 2011 8:31:22
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TonyGonzales84
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From: San Diego, CA
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RE: Picado's shoulder position (in reply to HolyEvil)
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Alrighty, Mr Corna, you've now got a bell curve, courtesy of Konstantin, that, you can start a probabilistic estimate with. You can probably also now dig up bell curves for arm lengths and leg lengths, as functions of standing heights, then you can scale the gazillions of online shots of PdL (and everyone else that will end up in your study) and give us some seriously data-driven numbers, with, of course, standard deviations of all data and results!
I look forward to the tabulated comparisons, with pics,of course, of PdL, Manolo Sanlucar, Vicente Amigo, and all of the rest of the current-era maestros, especially when compared with the past generations's maestros (Sabicas, Niño Ricardo, Melchor de Marchena, Ramon Montoya, Manolo de Huelva, etc) and their traditional way of holding the guitar. (Don't forget to include Paco de Lucena: if he'd been any taller or shorter, could he still have brought in tremolo, or played with a sock on his hand?)
For someone claiming to not have a flamenco guitar, yet (and might never actually acquire one?), I will give you credit for doing some deep mining of the Foro: this is from a 9 1/2 year-old thread.
Tony
PS
Are Ricardo's and Paco's respective shoe heels the same heights in both photos? Hmmmmm.... 
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Date Aug. 24 2020 1:00:18
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RobF
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RE: Picado's shoulder position (in reply to devilhand)
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I think this subject is definitely worth discussing because these days I'm watching a lot of youtube videos and analyzing the right hand posture and sitting position of flamenco guitarists.
To bring the thread to a more serious note, I think Paco’s crossed leg position was initially a bit of an outlier which ended up being copied by many and then became mainstream. It seemed to work for him, although I’m not sure if it was actually a good idea in a general sense. I don’t really know. There have been discussions on here that have focussed on physiology, I think some are specifically related to his posture, and they are probably worth seeking out. Main thing is, whatever the position chosen, it hopefully should not cause harm, as what may be OK for one person might cause real issues in another over time. But I’m a little out of my depth here, probably more than a little, and there are members far more qualified to address the topic than me.
Maybe something you could look into is whether he maintained that posture throughout his career, or if he moved away from it in later years.
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