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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Blackshear/Reyes style (in reply to Ruphus)
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ORIGINAL: Ruphus quote:
If a guitar is over priced then it wont sell. Just to clarify, for my part ( ergo, not Cathulu´s), when I mean "over priced" it is not being referred to conditions under capitalistic doctrine, but under inherently coherent aspects. However, still under decoupled assesement as under capitalistic exegesis your observation won´t completely match, as very much so items being sold through the roof for goods- and produce-unrelated circumstances like price rigging, artificial shortage in availability, market protectionism, image / prestige matters, marketing tactics etc. Manipulation none of which will account to guitars of Tom, but quite in terms of your principle statement. Reality is that many goods are being sold notwithstanding over pricing. Ruphus In other words, what you are saying to Cathulu is that he should understand that there is a pricing munipulation going on in the market but it stands to reason that we have to shop wisely and know who is manipulating these prices and who is not?
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Date Nov. 27 2010 16:05:25
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Ruphus
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RE: Blackshear/Reyes style (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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Just listening to the mp3 ( http://www.savageclassical.com/music/mp3/samslullaby.mp3 ). Personally me liked the characteristics of the 2004 flamenca a bit better, as it seemed to combine rasp with lushness in such an extraordinary way, while this new example, despite relative short sustain as appropriate for a flamenca, appearing much like a classical. - At least with the piece played ... Yet, not less in response and forward than the 2004 flamenca, and to me another confirmation of your brilliant craftmanship, Tom. Guess I would had not ressorted to steelers for over a decade many years ago, if I only had such a responsive nylon guitar at hand like this. What the recording is concerned, not to deny its quality as such, but for to support evaluation there should better had been no close miking, but more distance like at least 1,5 meters or more. Seems like the room would had well allowed doing so. Also I would had appreciated to hear some more rasgueados as well as some notes further up the neck. What an art luthiery can be! It just blows me away. :O) Ruphus
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Date Nov. 27 2010 16:13:44
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Blackshear/Reyes style (in reply to cathulu)
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ORIGINAL: cathulu Tom, sounds like Sigurdson's output matches the one week or so build time. PS more power to you that you can get top dollar, your are not the only luthier capable of commanding high prices. There are many, and some get even more than you. So good on you and chapeau to you. But I can still think it is crazy... And then Not buying it, nope. Why not hire an assistant to do a lot of the chore work and the non-skilled work like french polishing (I think some luthiers farm it out, others do their own). You can make more guitars. But then you got to have enough turnover to keep an assistant busy. It is a tough business and chapeau to the guys that are in it and make a living at it. My personal feeling is that a luthier built guitar should be available for about $1500 - $3000 bucks depending on what you ask for in the build. That is a fair price imho. I guess supply and demand can drive up the costs from a luthier that becomes "hot"but I think that is crazy - that is my opinion and I don't see myself changing it. Then you start to look for a new luthier with lots of talent but undiscovered or under appreciated. It is not rocket science. FYI, Sigurdson makes at least 30 flamenco guitars a year and he has a wait list (based on the numbering of his guitars, for example I have number 361), not sure how many classicals - I know he makes a few. He is a one man band. Once you make a few you know how to make the efficiently. OK, enough rambling! ................................................................................................................................ I think you have a very good understanding of what you want, and this is OK with me. You are right about looking for lower prices, if you can find them, and this means you are a savy shopper. There's nothing wrong with this. I don't sell to everyone, and this would actually be self defeating at my age, as I couldn't handle the many orders that would come my way, if I lowered my prices. I'm not looking to get rich but enjoy what little time I have left on this earth, and for this reason, I choose to make very few guitars a year and try to live a life to enjoy family and supply a few guitars to those who would like one of them to play on. And you are also right about my guitars not being the most expensive in the market. But they are somewhat different in tone and playability and this is what sets them apart from the rest.
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Date Dec. 5 2010 20:14:50
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Ruphus
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RE: Blackshear/Reyes style (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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Clinging on justified details as you mention won´t change things on average. With three weeks relaxed approach is included, not even eight hours daily as common workers being due to. Actually two weeks would be more reasonable for a routined and concentrated maker. Contemplated working included. It is what came out from conversation with luthiers, and appears reasonable to me in the same time who shows some talent / experience in general craft and woodwork himself. Concerning the other side of the scale, hence expanded time at the work bench, I am the first to understand that, as I love to sink in and take myself heaps of time when handcrafting or on artwork. Tom himself is such a person himself, who loves to take himself a lot of time. For a very special guitar he once took himself a dozen years to complete it with the utmost of dedication. ( Or even longer; don´t remember exactly.) Yet, take a look above what the man has to say about average / general conditions. ( Which being why I admire him for his sincere, sober and uncorrupted attitude, anyway.) Taking oneself time far above common time frame is totally legit, yet no justification to charge customer for. I for instance am increbily slow at work, as I just need to employ my imagination once again every other time in between. Just uncapable to develop and accelerate routine. For that I initially had a lot of trouble in the dental labs I used to work in, where lab leaders inquired works to be finished roughly three to four times faster than the guild had settled standard time frames for. But in the end the chiefs had to accept that if they wanted workpieces of the quality I accomplished they had to a degree accept my characteristic as a slow one. How about you? Are you slow for your creative ways or because of lacking experience? Whatever it is, from what I know commonly three weeks has been more than enough yet for finest guitars to be build. - And confirmation of accomplished luthiers like Tom seems more than enough to me. Ruphus
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Date Dec. 6 2010 10:28:43
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