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rogeliocan
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I'm looking at how to read chord names and I know a bit of the intervals, degrees, modes etc. and I think that all of that stuff could simplified, redone with 21st century logic.
In other words it's time for a 2.0 version, kind of like moving from Imperial to Metric, it hurts but after everything is so much simpler.
.. what's a gallon? (An imperial one that is... "Thus the gallon, the basic English unit of volume, was originally the volume of eight pounds of wheat. "
The way I read music theory it's close to that.
Anyways, I know that people well versed in theory will probably disagree but I'm sure all of this stuff could be made much simpler. I feel better now, just a bit, well, not really.
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Date Nov. 15 2010 19:15:51
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chester
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RE: Music theory is way too complicated (in reply to rogeliocan)
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I guess I don't know where the qualifiers (m, maj, dim...) apply to, the letter in front or after or both in the case of Adim7.
A more specific question. Great--I can work with that.
So..... Let's start with triads. Every chord is built from three notes that are a third apart (also called stacked-thirds). There are two kinds of thirds-Major (2 steps) and minor (1.5 steps). From these thirds you can make four types of triads (three note combinations)- Major (M3-m3), minor (m3-M3), diminished (m3-m3), and augmented (M3-M3). So if a chord is called Gm it's a minor triad, G is Major (usualy NOT written Gmaj), Gdim diminished, and Gaug is augmented. (Note-don't worry about the augmented too much, you hardly see them.) Does this make sense?
Now there's the 7th chords. Do you know about them? What is the significance of the 7?
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Date Nov. 15 2010 20:43:13
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RE: Music theory is way too complicated (in reply to Elie)
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have never seen a conductor shouting to his orchestra Am7b5 before
...oddly enough it happened two weeks ago while working with the state opera here on a piazolla tango
that is a wierd bit of syncronicity...
well not so much shouting but lets 'pick it up from the Am7b5 chord in bar 32...
true!
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Date Nov. 15 2010 21:56:35
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RE: Music theory is way too complicated (in reply to chester)
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Now there's the 7th chords. Do you know about them? What is the significance of the 7?
means the seventh degree of the scale is added to the chord
for example
C E G a C major triad right?
from the Cmajor scale
C D E F G A B C
by adding the thirds....C E G next being B right?
so C major 7th is C E G B
Then theres dominant sevenths...in which the 7th is flattened or [belonging to F major]
so
C E G Bb
guitar pro is pretty useless as far as default chord symbols go unless you already know them...
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Date Nov. 15 2010 22:03:24
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rogeliocan
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RE: Music theory is way too complicated (in reply to chester)
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Thanks Chester, yes, I understand the 4 types of triads.
I don't know what the significance of the 7th is but I understand that when a 7th is added. I know that that 7th can be added to the 4 types of triad and in 3 different flavors, minor, major, diminished. I suppose you can't have an augmented 7th because it would just give you your tonic.
I'm learning this from another site as I am writing this, this one is pure theory, does not use guitar chord names. And so, here I see that each of the 3 7th, when combined with the 4 different triad types, have specific names, for example, the minor 7 goes with the minor triad and, as Deniz said, a diminished 7 can only go with a diminished triad.
So for my Am7b5, it's still figuring out what the m applies to that confuses me. The 5th is flat, the m applies to the A or to the 7 or both?
Since the 5th is flat that means the 3rd is flat too, so I figure the m applies to the 7. But I ask, if the 7 is minor by default and a flat 5 means a diminished chord. Why not just right Adim7? Or is this wrong?
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Date Nov. 15 2010 22:18:15
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everything what you will be confronted with in flamenco is harder than this "4th grade math" as someone on the forum put it once. 
