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at_leo_87

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intermediate challenge ideas

ok, time to get this one started.

who is in and what piece shall we play?

my suggestion is the opening to vicente's mensaje. i've been meaning to learn that one forever.

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Elie

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote:

ok, time to get this one started.

Yay!!!

quote:

who is in and what piece shall we play?

I'm In

Actually Anything from Vicente's music is awesome
mmm 2 days ago I started working on pepe's habichuela solea por buleria (Encuentros version) so I will suggest it

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 21:21:46

rogeliocan

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Depends how hard it is I guess.
But I am already busy with the Quick Challenge for Malaguena, but in my case it's definitely not going to be quick. Man these tabs are beginning to pile up!

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at_leo_87

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

elie, we already did that one!

rogel, we haven't started yet! hurry up and finish the other one!

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xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Anthony, i think Mensaje would be too difficult - until about 45-50 seconds it's alright and easy enough, but the arpeggio followed by picado would be too much i think...

i was thinking about something like a falseta from Da Pura Cepa, starting on 63rd page...and maybe another one...it's not very difficult but requires some technique and it'd be a challenge to get the right aire...

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mezzo

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Why not the Minera from Jason?
If Dr. McGuire provide us a kickass minera suitable for intermediate players and the tabs...plus a video

This could be a cool one no?
because of the price eheh!!

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Elie

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

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elie, we already did that one!

sorry my fault

lets work on the Intro of Gitano De Lucia- Vicente Amigo

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CuerdasDulces

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

What about this falseta? and maybe add one more.
I think it's ok for intermediate.

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aleksi

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

the above one is very cool. I would choose that but it sounds very tricky and difficult so Im not sure is it intermediate material.

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yohan

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to aleksi)

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ORIGINAL: aleksi

the above one is very cool. I would choose that but it sounds very tricky and difficult so Im not sure is it intermediate material.

indeed, I would like join if it isnt to hard

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 9:56:16

at_leo_87

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

i was hoping to be selfish and use this to motivate me to learn more material for palos that i neglect (fandangos de huelva

).

i guess more bulerias is okay. as long as we can get good tabs for everyone.

let's not settle on one thing yet though. let's hear some more voices.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 13:02:43

Elie

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Sierra del Agua [Rondeña] - Vicente Amigo
( I was willin to work on it time ago, but I didn't

) I have C.Worms tabs

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 13:12:27

at_leo_87

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

eventually, we should do something libre. it'd be interesting to see how we phrase things differently.

but it's been so long since the last challenge, i'd like to get back in with something with compas.

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xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

i think luna de plata is quite difficult...sierra del agua could work though...

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CuerdasDulces

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to Elie)

I think toque libre is just too personal especially Vicente's. I think something with compas would be easier to follow and play. Cmon guys Luna de Plata is not that hard with some practice

I've never played it so it would be a challenge for me too. OR we can do some Fandangos with Anthony

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 15:59:44

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to CuerdasDulces)

you're right, but take into account who'll be joining the challenge...it's perfect high-intermediate stuff but low intermediates will struggle too much...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 16:44:20

aleksi

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

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i'd like to get back in with something with compas.

I second that. We should ride with the compas. If we can get the tabs to the buleria, I would try to do my best with it. It will be a falseta for life, if I would learn the fingering now and play it 30% of the tempo, then later I would definately come back to it, its so damn cool.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 18:36:32

Ron.M

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

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it's perfect high-intermediate stuff but low intermediates will struggle too much...

I tend to have the feeling that a lot of the challenges are actually too advanced.

Folk can end up (IMO) practising and playing all the notes without really understanding the falseta or walking away with any real benificial knowledge afterwards.

Fairly simple falsetas, but played with good compás, good technique and good aire would suffice IMO.

Needn't be OldSchool. There are plenty younger players when playing for cante will play pretty reasonable stuff technically, but with a bit of a different groove to the older stuff.

Anyway, if you decide to study Physics, you start of with simple concepts like Mass, Force, Momentum etc.

You don't just suddenly begin with Quarks and Bosons and Strings, just because that's where the modern stuff begins. and the other stuff is "boring crap".

I bet I can judge how good ANY player is even if playing the simplest falseta anyway!

cheers,

Ron

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Elie

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

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Folk can end up (IMO) practising and playing all the notes without really understanding the falseta or walking away with any real benificial knowledge afterwards.

I agree 100%
I just checked that falseta "luna de plata" and talkin on my behalf the technique is not hard but I think I will struggle with the compas

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 20:01:45

aleksi

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

http://www.youtube.com/user/flamencoteacher#p/a/u/0/l_lEefjOuyk
heres another buleria to consider. Ive been wanting to play this since Anders uploaded his version maybe a year ago or so. Its also cool (which is highly important) and it might be technicly a bit easier than tomatitos one. Theres slower version and tabs available.
Imho to make anything groove, it takes strong right hand, dynamics and a sense of aesthetics. I dont think its so much about left hand fingerings. With more simple falsetas theres more time to do dynamics and accents, but if one is not used to do them it doesnt really matter if the falseta is "easy" or "difficult", anyway the groove will not be there, but if you have dynamics and accents, the ones that seems difficult will eventually also rock.
And the compas...we could easily have challange for just plain compas strumming. Atleast I have spent countles hours just trying to figure out how to do some pattern or lick. But I think this is challange is more about learning falsetas and we go with the compas we already have.

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Ron.M

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to aleksi)

Hi aleksi,

I'm pretty sure that's Ricardo playing that.

Sounds like his style.

Yeah...the thing rocks even though there is not a lot of LH moving up and down the neck.

Personally, I'd place this as a pretty tough Intermediate Challenge even to get anywhere near the groove and vibe Ricardo is getting.

cheers,

Ron

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at_leo_87

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

hi aleksi,
i learned that one awhile ago but havent played it for ages. if we're going with that falseta, i would have an unfair advantage. so i wouldn't even participate.

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aleksi

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Hi Ron,
yeah its Ricardo. Anders also uploaded here and gave then the link to this falseta. I like it how they both play and also the original one. This falseta sounds like it needs little details to keep the tension until the end, so its a good one to work with.
Leo, thats a bummer. I gues it would not be much of a challenge for you because you know it already. We can take some other one, nobroblem.

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yohan

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Ricardo is great, I always really like the sound of his golpes

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Elie

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

what about Chicuelo's " Taranto Por Tangos " or " Taranto Por Rumba " they're so enjoyable , I dunno ....
anyway I'm off to college then work so cya in a while hope you decide a piece

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at_leo_87

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to aleksi)

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Leo, thats a bummer. I gues it would not be much of a challenge for you because you know it already. We can take some other one, nobroblem.

dont let me stop you guys if you want to do it.

i have a plan though that may involve a prize. i dont want to go into too much detail in case it doesnt work out.

but do you guys have any preference towards a particular palo?

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Adam

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

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ORIGINAL: at_leo_87

i was hoping to be selfish and use this to motivate me to learn more material for palos that i neglect (fandangos de huelva ).

i guess more bulerias is okay. as long as we can get good tabs for everyone.

let's not settle on one thing yet though. let's hear some more voices.

Yeah Anthony stop being so selfish.

I have no ideas right now but I'd definitely like to join this time, should motivate me to spend some quality time pissing off the neighbors - erm, I mean, practicing.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 23:24:20

Adam

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to Ron.M)

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ORIGINAL: Ron.M
Anyway, if you decide to study Physics, you start of with simple concepts like Mass, Force, Momentum etc.

You don't just suddenly begin with Quarks and Bosons and Strings, just because that's where the modern stuff begins. and the other stuff is "boring crap".

Well, no, Ron, you wouldn't want to start with quarks, bosons, and strings. You'd want to start with basic canonical quantization - probably applied to the free Klein-Gordon scalar field, and maybe also a simple non-interacting Dirac field, just to get a feel for things - and then looking at the fermionic fields describing quarks and the strong force, putting it all together and quantizing the SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1) standard model gauge theory, then discussing the behavior of various simple string theory Lagrangians under quantization and consequences for quantum gravity.

In summary, I think any palo would work, really.

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Stu

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to Adam)

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you wouldn't want to start with quarks, bosons, and strings. You'd want to start with basic canonical quantization - probably applied to the free Klein-Gordon scalar field, and maybe also a simple non-interacting Dirac field, just to get a feel for things - and then looking at the fermionic fields describing quarks and the strong force, putting it all together and quantizing the SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1) standard model gauge theory, then discussing the behavior of various simple string theory Lagrangians under quantization and consequences for quantum gravity.

in the words of shaggy....."like Zoinks Scoob!"

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fevictor

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RE: intermediate challenge ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

I'm in. I agree with Ron also and would love to try something not too complicated, but rather something that one can really try and get some aire out of. I think that aire and swing will be the real test of how flamenco and intermediate you can make a piece sound.

I also vote for compas and not toque libre. How about an alegria? The idea would be to make it sound nice and alegre, and with the right accents that make it unique but also making it your own. Just a thought.....

Im excited though!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 13 2010 2:32:42