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RE: Minera (in reply to Joven35

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It is a difficult leap, for some; my self personally (although I make attempts)

be great if you could post something...an attempt?


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2010 15:10:10
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to mrMagenta

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Uhm. ok so here's me trying some(!) of the stuff in the idea post. very short thing


Very nicely done mrMagenta. I love how you were using the E Melodic Minor scale there.
You get the next prize!!!!!

I am running out the door to fly to LA for show. I will make the account when I return on Monday.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2010 16:39:14
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to Guest

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here is my interpretation of the chords in the post
apologies for the dull delivery..


NIce! Thanks Al. I will make a video of these chords at some point. I don't want to spoil the fun of discovery for some just yet.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2010 16:47:55
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to Guest

Well, I could post a fantasia of mine. But I would not call it a Minera, although I use the language of flamenco it is not. It is a personal toque. I have already leaned what happens when I try to write something and call it flamenco. I get scolded.

I actually wrote a Taranta when I was just beginning to learn Flamenco about 4 years ago. I was so happy with it, I thought it sounded great and because Taranta is a free form, I though ok that means I can have fun with it. So I traveled to Spain in 06 and played it for Manolo (I do have video of that but on tape) and he spent the next 30 mins of that lesson using me as an example to the whole medio class of how not compose in flamenco. It was one of the best lessons in my life and has profoundly affected me to this day to be careful when writing. In addition, when translating Manolo's book his section on composition has taught me to examine why it is I wish to compose, what is my motivation (know thy self)? Personally, for me I do not feel I have the capacity to compose yet – fantasias yes, true flamenco no.

Which is why I gave Minera examples of people better than I (of which there are MANY!).

I will try and post my fantasia soon (sometime next week).

Regards.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2010 16:57:54
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to JasonMcGuire

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You get the next prize!!!!!


WOOOHOOO!!!
Man, you're way too generous :-)
Between the alegrias harmony lesson, the por medio one and this thread there's already SOO much to explore and take in, and then WHAM! access to the TREASURE DOME! I'll do my best to use this opportunity well and hopefully address some embarrassing holes in my playing and knowledge.
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2010 18:55:36
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to mrMagenta

MrMagenta - nice stuff! And great recording sound.

Do you mind my asking a tech question: how did you record this, both in terms of audio and video?

ToddK was just explaining to me that you can orient your recordings around the sound quality, using whatever gear you like, and then video it by what easy and cheap means you like.
Then take the files (the audio and video) and merge and sync them in a video editing program.

And what mics, mic pre's and software are you using??

(Sorry for the tech barrage. I'm really unhappy with the recording sound I'm getting and want to improve it).
Thx
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2010 19:58:32
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to marduk

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quote:

Stephen Faulk's guitar looks and sounds great BTW. That is one amazing guitar. I'm jealous......

quote:


i was just thinking that same thing

I'm really digging my Stephen Faulk 7 string. In fact, I like it so much, I commissioned a 6 string negra from him last Spring. I'm bouncing off the walls with anticipation! I'll share some audio or video when I get it.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2010 21:22:41
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to turnermoran

Hi Turner!

It's funny that the audio turned out decent because I just recorded this without setting anything up. You see two microphones in the video but their direct sound is turned off, I had them dialed down on my behringer mixer but I didn't turn down the effects loop which had some long tailed reverb effect on it. The sound is captured by my camcorder microphone which is a Sony DV camera. The reverb comes from speakers left of the view. So it's the sound captured on the tape, no separate track :-)

I have a freshly unpacked TubeMP preamp which I haven't used much yet, but here the mikes simply go into a cheap behringer mixer, which is a bit noisy... so I can't really recommend that one.

on software and procedure
The video is unedited, I transferred it to a computer through firewire with a free capture software called winDV and uploaded it straight to youtube. Next video I will try to have the image correct.. not squashed. :-D
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2010 21:39:21
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to Guest

quote:

here is my interpretation of the chords in the post
apologies for the dull delivery..


AIVal!!! Thank you very much!! That video is GOLD!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2010 22:07:30
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to JasonMcGuire

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I will no doubt offer more in the future.


Hugs and kisses...hahaha
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2010 4:17:26
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RE: Minera (in reply to Doitsujin

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That video is GOLD!

lol
thought more lead...just trying to help others and get them started....

to joven
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I could post a fantasia of mine.

sounds like a great idea would be really intrested
The manolo experience sounds confronting and very brave of you...well done!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2010 4:19:53
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to Guest

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now back to the alzapua
looking forward to hearing it. i love some good thumb action
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2010 9:55:08
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to JasonMcGuire

i just found this minera played by Amir Haddad
sounds very nice!

http://www.mundo-flamenco.com/de/media/videoclips
(scroll down to the last video)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2010 11:15:08
 
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2010 11:21:23
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to Guest

wow, i had no idea this was going on! great job to everyone who uploaded and ole to maestro jason for his generosity!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2010 12:03:23
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RE: Minera (in reply to JasonMcGuire

ok
it's 2am ...kids asleep in the next room but thought i'd document my days work on the minera...so the playing is subdued..shhh!
still working on the post..feel i will be for many months
quote:

Alzapua or some other flashy thing like a ligado run or something...... BAM hit that Ab Minera chord

quote:

Bmaj/A, Amaj7, A7, A7#11, Amin7, Amin6, F#min7,F#min7/G, G#7b9


an attempt at that with those chords in mind...a few ommisions...with an alzapua sequence which i will diligently practice for the next year

think it will sound cool once up to speed...




the sequence came from the first post [improv]


Michel
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i just found this minera played by Amir Haddad
sounds very nice!

thanks for that. beautiful sounds. enjoyed

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2010 15:56:14
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to Guest

kind of far out, but faster should sound great.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2010 19:22:30
 
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 16 2010 2:26:04
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to Guest

ive gone off track a bit with this project, but i think its a good thing. im going to get a bit more confident with harmony for a while, and use these guidelines to make some excersizes, then come back to it

wow Al, there is a lot going on there that was cool
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 16 2010 17:55:46
 
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RE: Minera - my attempt (in reply to Guest

Brian, that was miraculous! Impossible to beat that... also nice playing, love your tone man! Post more often please :)

Ok this is my somewhat noobish attempt. I have alot more ideas but i was unable to really "form" a consistent piece out of them. Also in this video you see im not always sure where to go next its NOT improvisation, i actually know WHERE to go, but i dont always remember in that very moment HOW i decided to play it, and then i make mistakes... anyway it is what it is, i thought there were at least some nice chords in it (beginning chords are mine for example) (please ignore the playing i apologize for it but i really had not the time to go in detail of all techniques and now im a bit "burned out" on it)



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 16 2010 19:54:26
 
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RE: Minera - my attempt (in reply to XXX

No need for all the apologies, Deniz...

Sounded great to me anyway!

(In fact I liked it better than Amir's. Less is more.. )

cheers,

Ron
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RE: Minera - my attempt (in reply to Ron.M

Thanks Ron!
I thought its ok to upload it, since this thread is more about compositioning (rather than playing) and maybe it could contribute something to it in that regards. Thx again!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 16 2010 20:05:25
 
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RE: Minera (in reply to XXX

Deniz - wow man!! Your minera is beautiful so far. Love the intro! Very Vincente inspired - always a good thing in my book.

IMO, it sounds composed - but in the best way possible. It's got what it needs without unnecessary repetition (as mine did). It sounds great. Can't wait to hear more.

I think it's good to remember that Jason's initial instructions didn't specify that the end result needed to be improvised or composed. (I only improvised mine as a means of doing it fast as possible to win the "prize"!!). And I think if you compose it along the lines he suggested, odds are, it'll sound better in the end. Personally, I think it's almost impossible that it wouldn't sound better than something improvised.
So keep going!

AlVal said something in a recent post that echoes something I heard someone say once:

Improvising is (or should be) composing sped up, and composing is improvising slowed down.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 16 2010 20:05:48
 
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RE: Minera - my attempt (in reply to XXX

Deniz - btw: what is that guitar you're playing? Sounds great!
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RE: Minera - my attempt (in reply to XXX

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please ignore the playing


Why? That was very musical and moving. Great playing on your part, Deniz!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 16 2010 20:19:46
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RE: Minera - my attempt (in reply to XXX

Thanks Deniz
Beautiful playing...cant wait to hear more...stunning tone...love the ways the ideas connect...inspiring...
loving this thread!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 16 2010 20:21:01
 
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RE: Minera - my attempt (in reply to turnermoran

Thanks alot guys!!
Brian the guitar is a Darren Hippner and i love this guitar!

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