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KMMI77

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to JasonMcGuire

The video has gone private?? I wanted to see if i could pick up any pointers. There was a bit about pulling off if i remember correctly.

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KMMI77

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77

In the end i don't think any of this stuff really means anything.

The fact that you play good music is your reward for the work you have put in. The guys that criticize or fail to see the depth to your level of playing, or fail to honestly recognize where they're at with music, aren't listening to your music in a way that you intended. If they can't listen to it for what it is then it's no loss to you. Only to them. F#*k Money!!

The music that you have shared has pleased many people. Far more than the amount of fakes and wingers it has not connected with.

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Joven35

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to JasonMcGuire

Hello Jason,

My name is Javier. I am the other half of Flamenco Professor. I have been meaning to join the foro for some time now but have been very busy. But, this whole personal attack on Corey has made feel sick that this goes on in this forum. I have great respect for Dr. Whitehead as my teacher as I am sure your students have great respect for you. You are a great player but you act, on the internet, like a child who got his feelings hurt.

It is one thing to critique an individual and another to be a jerk and try to bully someone who is, thankfully, too busy to respond to childish comments. I understand your sense of humor, Jason, but I think now it boarders on obsession or bullying.

Your critique, as I understand it, is that Dr. Whitehead does not understand flamenco or how to accompany, specifically. That is a personal opinion. I trust that the members of this forum are wise enough to go and see for themselves pictures of Corey accompanying with Manolo doing palmas. Now, you may have, as you say, lost respect for Manolo for supporting such a douche as you have so eloquently stated in your video, but because of Corey you will have the opportunity to tell Manolo that yourself when he comes to Fresno next year.

I for one am personally glad that Fresno and our Institution will have an authority to speak to Flamenco aficionados and not allow others to be terrorized and abused by regional flamenco players in the states. Now, all will have an undisputed wealth of knowledge to drink from and it will be located here in the states. I for one personally thank Dr. Whitehead for bringing this about.

I hope to answer any other questions. I will let Ricardo speak for himself. In regards to Flamenco Professor, I am glad to be associated with it and Dr. Whitehead, Manolo Sanlucar, and Dr. Juan Serrano. Oh yes, if you do see Trini (ICART Manager), Jason, tell her Javier said hello and that I hope to see her soon!

Best,

Javier Alcantara-Rojas

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JasonMcGuire

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Joven35

Nice to meet you Javier....... he once asked my wife to change into costume in a broom closet. Therefore he is a douche. His lesson on Taranto accompaniment is ridiculous (in my opinion) and other artists are coming forward with stories about bad dealings with him as well. He truly, in my opinion, has no business teaching flamenco cante accompaniment and If indeed Manolo Sanlucar supports his teaching enough to put his name and reputation on the line, then I have lost a lot of respect for him.

My personality flaws have been discussed here many times and you wouldn't be the first to call me childish. I don't really mind that at all.

16 hours a day, 28 years....... step out of the practice room and take a big whiff of reality.

Cheers,

P.S. The program and having Sanlucar's works translated and preserved are indeed fantastic, but it seems there is an unsavory side to this deal. A gentleman would realize his position and offer the services of the college with no strings attached.

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Ron.M

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Joven35

quote:

But, this whole personal attack on Corey has made feel sick that this goes on in this forum. I have great respect for Dr. Whitehead


Hi Joven,

I think what you are failing to grasp here is that the Foroflamenco Forum is not an organization or institution with an agenda, but a bunch of various and disparate members of various ages, with various experiences in Flamenco guitar playing, and from various parts of the world.

Foroflamenco cannot be held responsible for member's opinions!

I do admit though, that if Jason MacGuire hadn't turned our attention to his internet presence, then probably none of us would have known about the good Doctor. (or Professor)

That's the internet and world opinion for ya....

Sometimes it sucks, sure, I must admit.

But that's hardly "our" problem.

Is it?

cheers,

Ron
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2010 20:39:12
 
Joven35

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Ron.M

Dear Ron,

You are correct, because of this we have gotten allot of attention (more than we normally get). But in reality we are still in a test phase. There is sooo much attention that has to get devoted to the site and research that I am sure you are aware of as an Administrator. We have not been up very long but the attention is indeed wanted (as strange as it is for me to write it).

I am just offended by some of Jason’s behavior that as he points out is his character. Corey above all else is my friend and I cherish that. He is doing allot for flamenco in the states. And yes there are devils in the details (dealing with administrations and budgets) but the Fresno Guitar Studies program was started by Dr. Juan Serrano. It is his legacy that Corey is charged with, not an easy task for anyone. He has done so much to arrange master classes with Juan Serrano, Juan Del Valle, Ricardo Marlow, Jesus Montoya, Juan Martin, Manolo Franco, Paco Serrano, Jose Antonio Rodriguez, Gerardo Nunez and on and on. And now this with Manolo....

Jason is a great guitarist indeed, but as pedagogue pails. Maybe he is upset we are offering for free what he charges, but I see he is moving away from that model. I do not know. And you are right there are allot of screwed up things in the world but as I said Corey is my teacher I respect him. I am sure Jason respects that.

But this is all such negative energy for what should be a positive time. I am excited every time we talk with Manolo - he is very excited in coming to the Central Valley! The Foro is a great place, I did speak with emotion and I hope we can share many things with one another and help spread this graceful art.

Blessings,

JAR

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Joven35

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Guest

Dear Romerito,

Me too!!! I am soooo excited!!! :):):)

And yes, many people do not like Manolo’s theory but we think there is something to it and so we write and lecture about it. If you would like to have a more detailed discussion I could give you my number or you could read some of our articles on FlamencoProfessor.com. The site is difficult to manage with your mouse on some computers so you must use your keypad. We are working on it...it is frustrating. Sorry, we have another site (different layout) coming online soon – I hope!

I am so glad to talk to fellow aficionados; I get kind of lonely in my neck of the woods. ;p

Regards,
JAR

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2010 21:49:56
 
JasonMcGuire

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Joven35

quote:

Jason is a great guitarist indeed, but as pedagogue pails.


To Dr. Whitehead? To Juan del Valle (John Hall)?, Richard Marlow? (i think he's great BTW), I work with Jesus Montoya quite frequently..... Juan Martin? are you on crack Javier?

Hats off to Manolo Franco, Paco Serrano, Jose Antonio Rodriguez and Gerardo Nuñez. Yes I pail in comparison to these.

I still charge for the lessons on my site and will continue to do so. I will also from time to time share things for free.

Can you please have Corey share with us a video of himself playing with palmas in compas. How about Corey accompanying cante?

Javier..... certainly you would agree that the person teaching wether the lesson is free or paid should actually have a decent amount of experience in the concepts he is teaching?

There are some here who can explain easily with absolute authority how to accompany Taranto. Why have you made that video private? Lets let Manolo Franco and Manolo Sanlucar do the teaching. Corey is a poser.

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Joven35

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to JasonMcGuire

Dear Jason,

I do not know what to say about the broom closet or the dirty floor. It is rather funny though and I would think some one like you would laugh it off but I guess not.

You are a great player and I am sure your students appreciate that and all you do for them. I know I do of mine.

I hope to see you in Fresno when Manolo comes, and I mean that in friendship. We all have much to learn - even Manolo - and we can either do it together or at each others throats.

Best,
JAR

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mezzo

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Joven35

Dr. Fosforito said : "el flamenco se siente mas que se sabe".

It's fashionable to be call'd Dr. ?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 4 2010 23:02:40
 
JasonMcGuire

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Joven35

I had to laugh it off, do the show, apologize to my company for getting us into a mess with such a douchebag. But seeing videos of YOU and Corey teaching in such a crappy way inspired me to bring a few points up. You guys should be ashamed. If Richard Marlow or anyone of the names on your list steps up to say that the crap you are teaching is OK and acceptable, then I call shenanigans on the whole damned operation. But I have my suspicions that they are NOT aware and would be embarrassed to have flamenco pedagogy represented to the world in such a way by entities affiliated with them. If they do it is out of necessity for work which is a real shame. Times are tough and there are going to be plenty oh shysters taking advantage of the situation.

You didn't really answer my question about who it is that I pale in comparison to? Can you please clarify?

Video is still private. What's up with that?

Here is an idea..... wait until Manolo Sanlucar comes. Video that and upload that for free to YouTube. Put me out of business with videos like that. He is an authority on flamenco. You are not an authority on flamenco Javier and Corey is not either. Both of you know that. This is the real issue.

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coreydefresno

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77

Dear Flamenco Foro Members,

I am taking a moment to write to you, to tell all those aware of the recent comments, that I have made many of the videos I posted for my students private. If you would like to see the private videos please send me an email via www.flamencoprofessor.com. I have left many videos public. There will be more soon. The site was created quickly, and many videos were made with haste in May 2010 to supply my students material while I was away in Spain all summer. Upon my return I paid little attention to the site. It was recently brought to my attention, that I am receiving the kind of negative response no one wants, and I do respect those who took them at face value. I make no excuses for what is there, because it is what it is, free lessons for my students, to supplement their lessons at Fresno State.

I in no way want to offend the flamenco community. I am learning as well all are, and we all make mistakes. Each individual has an opinion about what is good and bad. I appreciate civil and vigorous debate.

I want to say that I appreciate the support of those who really know me and have supported me on the forum. I respect the positive, negative, and neutral opinions of all on the Forum. I appreciate the formative and summative advice I received from those who have taken time to write me comments.

To those familiar with what has been previously written. I will say that name-calling and personal attacks with regard to one's physical appearance, gender, ethnicity, or abusing and bullying; reflects poorly on the character of those engaged in such behavior, at least, and at most violates the kinds of rules that keep discussions on forums like this civil.

I do ask for those reading comments and watching fictional animated videos (with edited posts as dialogue), to please consider the source and accuracy of the information. The things I have heard about are borderline libel and slander, but I admit, are funny, even if at my own expense.

All of this as given me quite a bit of notoriety, empathy, and yes, even sympathy from many in the guitar world equal to the amount of negative bullying (bordering on terrorism) that is printed.

I have been around many legendary players, and as you all know, if they have nothing good to say, they have nothing to say at all. I have had nothing but good things to say about the person who attacks me most. I will open the door for him, and all of you here.
I am not the Flamenco expert here, Dr. Serrano is the Distinguished Professor Emeritus here at California State University, Fresno, and will soon add a legendary lineup each May/June intersession at Fresno State including Manolo Sanlucar.

Please look on this forum for the course offering!

Humbly and respectfully yours,
Corey
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coreydefresno

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Ron.M

Dear Ron,

I am taking a moment to write to you, to tell all those aware of the recent comments, that I have made many of the videos I posted for my students private. If you would like to see the private videos please send me an email via www.flamencoprofessor.com. I have left many videos public. There will be more soon. The site was created quickly, and many videos were made with haste in May 2010 to supply my students material while I was away in Spain all summer. Upon my return I paid little attention to the site. It was recently brought to my attention, that I am receiving the kind of negative response no one wants, and I do respect those who took them at face value. I make no excuses for what is there, because it is what it is, free lessons for my students, to supplement their lessons at Fresno State.

I in no way want to offend the flamenco community. I am learning as well all are, and we all make mistakes. Each individual has an opinion about what is good and bad. I appreciate civil and vigorous debate.

I want to say that I appreciate the support of those who really know me and have supported me on the forum. I respect the positive, negative, and neutral opinions of all on the Forum. I appreciate the formative and summative advice I received from those who have taken time to write me comments.

To those familiar with what has been previously written. I will say that name-calling and personal attacks with regard to one's physical appearance, gender, ethnicity, or abusing and bullying; reflects poorly on the character of those engaged in such behavior, at least, and at most violates the kinds of rules that keep discussions on forums like this civil.

I do ask for those reading comments and watching fictional animated videos (with edited posts as dialogue), to please consider the source and accuracy of the information. The things I have heard about are borderline libel and slander, but I admit, are funny, even if at my own expense.

All of this as given me quite a bit of notoriety, empathy, and yes, even sympathy from many in the guitar world equal to the amount of negative bullying (bordering on terrorism) that is printed.

I have been around many legendary players, and as you all know, if they have nothing good to say, they have nothing to say at all. I have had nothing but good things to say about the person who attacks me most. I will open the door for him, and all of you here.
I am not the Flamenco expert here, Dr. Serrano is the Distinguished Professor Emeritus here at California State University, Fresno, and will soon add a legendary lineup each May/June intersession at Fresno State including Manolo Sanlucar.

Please look on this forum for the course offering!

Humbly and respectfully yours,
Corey
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coreydefresno

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to XXX

Thanks Deniz,

I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt. You hit it on the mark. I did use photos with admiration for my teachers, and he knows everything about the site, they all do.

I am not trying to boost my image by associating with them. I work with Manolo, and Juan.

I understand now, how seeing the site for the first time may be a shock to some. But the association with Manolo and Co. is legit.

We promote Manolo's course at Cordoba Guitar Festival in the U.S.. The PR wing of the festival used many articles I have written, and my publicity of their festival has resulted in more than 10 students from Fresno attending Manolo's course.

Regarding the "Becas" at the course in Cordoba, many send audition recordings of them interpreting the works of others: Manolo, Vicente, Paco. A few "Beca" winners played Nino Ricardo or Manolo's works for example.

I was clear about playing the works of others, and gave titles, and Manolo did not care to hear titles or composer, only palo. So I am not sure what prompted that statement about me not being honest.

Thanks for your civil discourse,
Corey
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coreydefresno

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Joven35

A Clarification Regarding the potential libel posted about me by Jason in his posts and on his animation:

1) I did not make Jason's dancer sleep on a dirty floor of an apartment. I have a house and had a house then. Jason's Dancer slept in my master bedroom, my wife and I slept on my living room floor. My mother cooked her breakfast. I also offered to take to her to where Jason stayed, and she did not want to as I recall.

2) Also, Jason's wife used my office (and Juan Serrano's office) to change and trashed my office at California State University.

3) I paid the group as agreed and have the written agreement. I have receipts for their payment and would post them if anyone wants to see.

4) The group smoked inside of a our Recital Hall which is strictly forbidden.

I have witnesses to all of this who will testify that all above is true and correct if this escalates any further. I demand this Forum cease and desist all reference to this private business matter. Since this is a University function, I am entitled to University counsel, I do not have to pay for attorneys, I am fully represented by the legal counsel of The California State University.


Sincerely yours,
Corey
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Florian

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77

corey is good to see you here...i take no sides, Jason is a mate...but i am happy to see anyone do what they love doing... if theres going to be a conversation here about someone its nice to have that person present too and hear his side too

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coreydefresno

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to Florian

Thanks for your civil discourse! :)

Sincerely,
Corey
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KMMI77

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77

Hello corey,

Welcome

One of my comments was a little personal so i would like to apologize for that.

Your videos and website are presented in a professional format and you have chosen to utilize words like doctor, flamenco professor etc... I therefor feel it is ok to take a "harsher than usual" critical view of the content.

Someone who is just trying to share information with no connections to, or intentions of money making ventures is always someone i would welcome and support. But i am not so sure that this is the case here.

I can remember Manolo talking to a group of us and becoming enraged as he told stories of people who buy a few books or participate in one of his courses only to go away and represent themselves as some kind of authority in the world of flamenco.

Flamenco professor would suggest someone who plays and understands "Flamenco" music at an extremely high level.

Anyway welcome to the foro. It is good for you to have the chance to defend yourself.

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coreydefresno

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77

Thank you!

Your points are well taken. I certainly would like to express here my sincere gratitude for pointing out the perception that my site presents us as some kind of expert in flamenco when compared to Manolo or Juan, or anyone of their stature, or anyone who has a longer camino than me.

I want to say that your constructive criticism will help me to change the new version of the site to present Manolo and Juan as the Distinguished Professors of The Institute for the Dissemination of Flamenco at California State University.

Sincerely yours,
Corey
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2010 4:53:12
 
coreydefresno

 

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77

With all due respect,

Regarding the comment about me calling myself "Doctor"

I am a Doctor so I can use that title as I earned a Doctor of Musical Arts from The University of Arizona.

All my best,
Corey
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2010 4:58:39
 
KMMI77

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77

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I am a Doctor so I can use that title as I earned a Doctor of Musical Arts from The University of Arizona.


Well done and congratulations on achieving this title. I personally would suggest tact in associating your title with flamenco. It comes across to me as being utilized out of context. Just my personal opinion though.

I like that you are sharing your passion for flamenco and developing an avenue for great artists to share their knowledge. Make this the focus and don't worry so much about ego and titles. Just suggestions,

Kris

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2010 5:23:12
 
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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to coreydefresno

With all due respect, there are a couple of flamenco doctors out there you reaaallly don't want to associate with.

I realize doctor is a cool title, but you don't want to associate with that guy. trust us on that

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 5 2010 5:26:12
 
Florian

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to HemeolaMan

hehe this is nothing to do with you corey , i am delighted to see the mature manner in which you have dealt with this a bit unfair on you thread, i imagine it would suck to be one of the guys that have criticized and poked fun at you right now cause if they found they humanity a little would feel a little guilty ...i do agree you have earned your title and have to right to call yourself whatever you want...but i was just thinking about it to myself just now

"doctor" and "flamenco" are 2 of the furthest possible words from eachother
..beauty of the west...one can acquire a doctorate before he could acquire aire (again not refering to you u could be greate for all i know and have so much aire that you dont know what to do with) there was a guy in my city with a doctorate in flamenco gotten at the university of adelaide where there wasent a single other flamenco person...he busks in the mall and some of his technique is not really like flamenco..hes ok but the level of about an intermediate player here, yet he has the phd

its 100% up to you but if i was your mate and you asked me i would say ...honestly i think you would do yourself a favor leaving the dr part out cause its making people defensive and negative before they even get to listen to you...and that's unfair on you...let what you do be your title

half of the reason if not more that this guys probably picked on you here was cause of the title..its really easyer to ridicule some guitarist with a title then it is to ridicule some easy going, approachable, down to earth guitarist

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77

yeah i have been curious the whole time if its possible to be a professor of flamenco, especially since flamenco is so much concerned with dance. i think if the title doctor is going to be used in the same sentence as flamenco, then it should be earned from the flamenco masters
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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to KMMI77

Flamenco and academia have nothing to do with one another. It's great that flamenco artists are getting exposure through an academic setting and it as also nice that people are getting exposed to flamenco through a college.

However in the end it's the aficionados who make their own choices of who they choose to go see. I think I'm going to go see Pepe Torres in two weeks and then go see Chusco in a few days. Then I'll save some money and go to Spain again and this time I'd like to see Diego del Morao. I want to hear Ines Bacan sing again in person too. And a few others. I'm glad I saw Agujetas in my lifetime although I wished I would have seen him when he was younger, and I'll always regret never having seen Chocolate and Diego Del Gastor. I feel like a bad aficionado for not ever seeing those two artists I have never seen.

I would like to see Carlos Heredia again too. He is a hoot to listen to. I guess I'm just not not clear on the concept of where academia and flamenco fit together. I got out of academia to follow flamenco very much because it's not in the academy. I'm not that worried though because the best flamenco I've ever seen or get to see usually happens in someone's kitchen late at night after a show. I'm too old and lazy to worry about this stuff, but at least I know where to look for it if I want it.

I remember a few years ago Pepe Torres was in town, after a show he picked up a guitar, we were all hanging in someones living room in Berkeley. He played for fun for about two hours. Pepe is a dancer, but he plays guitar better that any guitarist. Or perhaps I lie about him being better than a "guitarist", but he has aire, aire, aire. And there's nothing that is a substitute and no way to learn it unless you are always in it.

I thinks it's time for my mid evening nap. Flamencologos put me to sleep.

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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to HemeolaMan

I do see your point, I do not want to be associated with those people who claim to have Doctorates and actually do not.

I was hired for a "Studio Guitar Tenure Track Faculty" position at Fresno State that was advertised as Classical, Jazz, or Flamenco, preferably 2 or 3 of those. I have a Doctorate in Music Performance, Guitar from The University of Arizona. There were many applicants. This program is not just Flamenco. (I have classical guitar content on my YouTube channel also, and jazz fretboard harmony concepts). I taught at The Duke Ellington School of the Arts in Washington, D.C. with many jazz greats. I am a rock player and I sing rock and roll better than anything I do. I am a guitarist first, Californian second, and I eat and breathe flamenco and play falsetas.

I left the classical world behind in 2008 and took on flamenco full-time after I had completed my contractual obligation to Centaur Records (Tangos y Serenatas, 2008).

Inspired by my brother Ricardo Marlow, I sold my soul to flamenco. I am willing to take all the criticism that goes with learning the ropes. This Summer I volunteered to accompany David Pino with Manolo doing palmas, and watching were Manolo Franco, Jose Antonio, Paco S, Serranito. I know I haven't showed how I accompany on YouTube yet, but I passed my test in that environment and those there know what was said. Sure there were others present there from Spain with way more ability and a longer camino, but only a few as Manolo said, "had the cajones to come up here and prove to us the valor of what you have learned" Then there were the things said to me in private that were very encouraging, even so, I felt I could have done better, and have done so, recently in concert with Jesus Montoya, Jose Tanaka, Mizuho, Vanessa Acosta, Juan Moyoli, Albert Marques, John Martin III, Frank Giordano, Ricardo Marlow and all. I am walking.

And yes I have video of those concerts. But, I will not post it for the public out of respect to certain artists request for it not to be public. I have other concerts as well where I play with the same company and I am second guitar to Richard Marlow. Yes these great flamencos are allowing me to play with them as I learn. Thank you guys! There is much my harshest critic has not seen. I will show you some mettle soon. Believe me, I am motivated.
My family is Arab... I learn from Gypsies in the streets of Cordoba. I am moving there for 8 months.... My posts will be less frequent from the Plaza del Potros :) Un cordial saludo flamenco! Corey
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RE: http://flamencoprofessor.com (in reply to coreydefresno

OK Corey I will stop making cartoons and forget all about that broom closet thing. Of course its wonderful that you are bringing Manolo Sanlucar here. And its great that you are going to teach his methods. Congratulations on your many accomplishments and I am certain they will all lead to wonderful things. Please don't sue me for making those cartoons. It would be quite embarrassing facing a judge and having to view those while being hovered over by a guy wearing a hug black dress with a big wooden hammer. At least its not the UK or they would be wearing a wig too, which would be way too scary for a hillbilly like myself. I would be asked to explain myself and certainly no one would understand what could posses another human to do something so awful. The visual aids necessary to prove any of points would take too much effort and in the end the judge and jury wouldn't understand what an alzapua was and why it would be anything worth all the negativity caused by these silly cartoons. No amount of me dragging in wound up timepieces and catapults to show the way the hands use gravity to create such noisy, frantic musical effect - I use the term musical lightly ;) - I was just forwarded a plea for civility. I will pause here for a moment to read it and return soon.....

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OK...... I made it all up. There was no broom closet. I was paid at least half of what I was told over the phone, even though it did take 6 weeks to get paid. BTW, I have worked at many California colleges and it has never taken that long to get paid, but at least it didn't take 5 months like it did with Jose Tanaka. My Dancer....... the now retired La Monica never complained about your floor or the breakfast your mom cooked for her. We did smoke in the hallways and act like hoodlums. I trashed your office not my wife. I actually was making it on your desk with the other dancer. Not La Monica..... the other one. You know;)..... I was in a hurry and I didn't have time to clean up. Sorry. I just had to tell my wife of my infidelity and she is really upset too. I wonder how much a motel room down the street at the nearest quicky, no reservation needed, Oakland Hospitality Inn will cost...... Oh well, I don't need to bother anyone here with that.

Yep........ I made it all up. Every bit of it. Even the part about your lessons sucking. Actually they are fantastic. I learned some stuff from one right before I went to my gig tonight and darned if I wasn't getting panties thrown at me left and right. The owner of the restaurant was reall annoyed though because of the unsanitary nature of the undergarments laying around a fine food establishment. But I have http://FlamencoProfessor.com to thank for that. You can use it as a quote if you want.
I also knew all of this would give you lots of great free publicity and that in the end we would become chums. I understand it may take time, but as you can see I am very patient..... waiting 7 years to unleash this dastardly plan. I had visited a witch in the neighborhood who had me stare deep into snow globe with Santa and a little house with elves and a tiny little nativity scene underneath the tree in fake yard and I noticed that the baby Jesus was black and I got in an argument with her about the ethnicity of our saviour. Eventually we agreed to disagree and she told me that in the future there would be a "book of faces," but that it wasn't really a book. It was a "site of webs." People would gather there, well not actually gather there, they would all leave little short blurbs about things they wanted to eat and it would support emoticons in the chat window but not in the comment posting. Like you are now, I was really confused until one day when I signed up for my Facebook account. Thats when it all came together and you know that I never requested you as a friend until the time was just right. Well enough about that..... I need to read some more of these messages......

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It is being suggested to me by my spiritual guide to let Baba Muktananda work all of this out. Wow, that would be cool, because if he takes care of this for me then I won't have to deliver as many cards and flowers. Maybe those internet E-cards would be good enough......


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question........ Will we have to refer to Manolo and Juan as "Distinguished Professors of The Institute for the Dissemination of Flamenco at California State University" everyime we address them in order to study with them, well, because I stutter like Chuscales and both of us want to study there with them and I can speak for Chuscales because we ate lentils together once..... it could become troublesome for the other students if Chusco and I both get stuck trying to say all that just in order to ask the Gran Maestros which approach we should take to apply Octotonic and Heptatonic scales to common flamenco harmonic structures and what chord substitutions might be acceptable for the Tangos Estribillo..... "Le, re, le, re.... Cachito de Pan" and if you make a substition FOR the substition wouldn't it just put you right back to the chord you were trying to tweak in the first place, except we would never get there because we both be stuck in a stuttering fit and I tend to belch when I get nervous and it could get frustrating for a "Distinguished Professors of The Institute for the Dissemination of Flamenco at California State University."




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Flamenco Doctors..... DoctorCompas™?

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Sorry you had to make those videos private. That was most unfortunate part because if I want to grow my collection of "gig panties" I am going to need some more of those dandy lessons. You know they have to be good for a fat guy like me to get that kind of a response. I hope this apology suffices to get me on the private viewers list for those lessons......



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OK, I skimmed the plea for civility one........ Sorry, to make fun of your physical appearance..... wait a minute..... that wasn't me...... that was Stephen Faulk....... well it might as well be my fault because none of this could have ever happened without my misguided and poorly planned revenge against Corey for the reason of......... Oh crap..... I forgot WHY I even made all that stuff up in the first place. I just keep remembering that weird witch lady, the microscopic African Jesus in a manger and the old chicken bones that had been thrown in the corner of her moldy room next to some bowls of dark reddish liquid and the smell of honey and white flowers and the individually wrapped candies and cigars and how she appeared to become stimulated while stroking my hairy forearm as I pretended to be looking into the snow globe as she had instructed me.........

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Please accept my sincere apologies for bringing up the past, questioning your authority as a Doctor of Music Performance and in any way suggesting that your YouTube videos are anything but top notch. The next time I accompany a Tarantos....... crap I just improvised one of those with Genoveva in Dallas last weekend..... would have been amazing to use your chords for that..... well anyhooo next time I will indeed use those chords and Florian...... you remember when I sent you weird video of me explaining Taranto letra accompaniment........ ignore that use Corey's instead. I pail in comparison as a pedagogue and as a human.

Furthermore, I have made a new series of appointments with my psychiatrist Dr. Parker who can help me with this debilitating condition I have. We have spoken of it before just after we got through my childhood infatuation with various types of animal fecal matter. Dr. Parker though there might be a correlation to that and poop throwing, like the way monkeys do wen they get pissed off. Dr. Parker has worked very hard and he deserves a lot of credit for my not being sent out to Napa as he appeared in court once before on my behalf when I got in a scrape with a political activist on Facebook. My next appointment is Monday morning, so between now and then I resolve to not make up anymore stuff that sounds like it might possible be partially true or make any more animated super hero with an outhouse helmet and toilet paper emblem....... which really rocks and I want to be that for Halloween next year. And just to show that I do understand the gravity of the matter and that I indeed take this sort of borderline terrorism and slander seriously.... I too will make the animations "private" and force people to help me build an email marketing list so I can spam you when I make more funny videos......... (that don't make fun of people or falsely point out any transgressions of flamenco technique, compas or fashion etiquette.)

I think that in the future FlamencoProfessor.com will become a great source of entertainment and I wish you continued success in your journey into the fascinating world of flamenco. Of course you already know how fascinating it is because you study with a teacher who is way better than my teacher was and his father too, who also taught me some crucial things in my formative years, not to mention the Sabicas and Escudero element to that particular lineage that the Pedro Cortes family handed to me back when that Mexican girl I was dating ran off and married a drummer in a rock band while I was out on the road with Pedro..... It was great how the Cortes family took care of me through my depression and treated me just like I was a member of the gypsy family. They would lock me in a small room and I had to play alzapua for 4 hours even when I got one of those blisters with water in it that hurt real bad and turn green from the strings rubbing against it over and over again and they would only let me out for as much time as it took me to eat piece of Tortilla Española, perfectly cooked by his mother with the middle just the tiniest bit "wet" and never dry like the do at all the lame ass Tapas places in the US. I am still trying to make a tortilla that good. Man she is the best..... and boy can she sing por fandangos. I shouldn't bother dropping names like the Cortes family because they aren't really all that important in the PhD. Music world..... 4 generations of guitarists, handing over to me an alzapua and a piece of incredible tortilla to mend a broken heart. I will end this reply to the plea for civility and all those other messages in my inbox with a video of me bashing my guitar in compas with a singer and my teacher who is probably really angry at me for playing a weird shaped guitar really loud and improvising falsetas that move out of the first position in a one take camera interview segment before a tech rehearsal. Of course we all saw that, but I am going to post it anyway as example of how NOT to accompany cante. Please do not ever under any circumstances try and inspire a singer to emote beyond his usual desire to just dial it in nice and easy without any stress of the vocal chords as doing such could run the danger of sounding artificially "too flamenco".... now..... off to sort out all those panties and check into my motel room.

Thanks Flamenco Professor



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