RE: I am Planning on buying a really good Flamenco & Classical guitar, Any Suggestions

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Murieta

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Escribano)

Yeah i have seen his you tube videos and his guitar pictures on his web site, they look very solid. I will need to try one out before i can make my purchase, if i am interested i will contact him he gave me his web-site. Thanks

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

"Your guitars sound and look awesome, where are you located? it your site said Spain."

Thanks Murieta. I think my website says where I am doesnt it? I´m in

Beas, Huelva, Andalucia, España

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2010 20:51:47

jshelton5040

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Escribano)

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ORIGINAL: Escribano
Are you spamming? You ask for advice on guitars and then give us loads of "recommendations". Is that a sock puppet? Never heard the term, perhaps a shill. Stinks to me anyway.

Escribano,
Sock puppet is a term for a con artist who acts like a novice while promoting his goods. You put a sock over your hand and move it's mouth while you are actually doing the talking.

You must be really out of touch with current internet jargon dude

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2010 22:00:01

Murieta

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Murieta

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

Well guys i think gj Michelob summed it all up for me. I thank everyone who replied to my message and gave me good advice on certain luthiers, i wrote them down. I think i know where to start and i will try out as many guitars as possible until i make my final purchase, this may take a while. If anyone has additional advice feel free to post.

Thanks guys, Keep practicing OLE!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2010 23:12:45

kozz

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

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Post has been moved to the Recycle Bin at Oct. 15 2010 1:13:42

Sometimes its nice to be subscribed to a topic, reading a topic from my email turns out to be completely different than the foro-topic.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2010 4:16:21

Tom Blackshear

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

I'll have a beautiful guitar, flamenco negra, going to the Savage music Company in New Jersey in about a month. It is being built in the Reyes style as an honor to Manuel Reyes name.

I don't build many guitars at this time so this is a special order from Rich Sayage to show at his shop. I think he probably wants to sell it, so this would be a chance for you to get a guitar that would be good for flamenco or classical music since the pattern is essentially very lyrical with good articulation for flamenco.

I apologize but I don't know what your price range is.

http://www.savageclassical.com/luthiers.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2010 13:20:25

Murieta

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)

A Manuel Reyes replica huh, sounds nice. I will definitely take a look at it when it arrives at the website you recommended me. By the way how much is an original Manuel Reyes Negra now a days? Like 20 grand or something? Thanks Blackshear.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2010 20:37:27

Tom Blackshear

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

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ORIGINAL: Murieta

A Manuel Reyes replica huh, sounds nice. I will definitely take a look at it when it arrives at the website you recommended me. By the way how much is an original Manuel Reyes Negra now a days? Like 20 grand or something? Thanks Blackshear.

The prices for an original Manuel Reyes in good condition can go as low as 12,000 to as high as 22,000 dollars US. This is an average, not a definite rule.

Thank you for your consideration to check out my guitars. It is my honor to be of service.

http://tguitars.home.texas.net/index.htm

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2010 20:54:48

stpercival

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

Good day to you. I have played several of GV Rubio's flamenco guitars and they are class. He makes an archtop maple that is really awesome. BTW the guitar pictured on the original post is not a flamenco negra. I believe it is his houser, his negra has a different rosette. Try this link on youtube comparing several guitars and his negra (2nd) sounds superior to the rest. And no I am not a "sock Puppet."

or try a youtube search: "GV Rubio flamenco negra" or "four sevillanas on four guitars."

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2010 5:14:57

Tom Blackshear

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to stpercival)

I have to say that I liked the first guitar the best, or whether it was the guitar the way it was recorded, it came off as being the most pleasing sound to me.

Although I'll admit that the second guitar has a better flamenco edge. But one thing I also notice is that the guitars have a boomier sound than I like for my own style.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2010 11:36:13

Rob MacKillop

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

In order of preference, 2314. The first seemed too classical-like for my tastes, and the last did nothing for me. Difficult to choose between the 2nd and 3rd.

Good playing...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2010 14:18:44

Andy Culpepper

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

2 1 3 4

that negra sound is about what I shoot for.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2010 14:38:16

rogeliocan

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to stpercival)

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four sevillanas on four guitars

I liked the 1st, but it seemed a bit weak after listening to the other 3.
My preference would be 3, then 1 and 2, and finally 4. But 2 is a bit too bright for me, I like guitars with more bass and sustain.

That 4th guitar, the Alejandrowould not pass airport security, that headstock is a weapon man!

By the way Deteresa, your negra would have did well in this comparison.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2010 15:17:39

Tom Blackshear

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to stpercival)

I actually like this guitar better, see if the maestro Rubio can build one of these.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2010 15:40:56

Andy Culpepper

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to rogeliocan)

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By the way Deteresa, your negra would have did well in this comparison.

Thanks man. I respect your choice in guitars, although it is clearly different than mine

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2010 15:48:45

rogeliocan

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

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that negra sound is about what I shoot for.

Well, you are doing a good job because your negra is as flamenco sounding as that number 2 but yours has more bass. That is how I heard it when I played it, and in my taste, I prefer that. So good job.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2010 16:59:19

Murieta

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to stpercival)

Yeah i seen this video, you can really distinguish the sound of the negra when he plays all four guitars in one video. The guitar that i showed was in fact his houser i think i said that when i put up the post. This is a very good video, thanks for the post.

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ORIGINAL: stpercival

Good day to you. I have played several of GV Rubio's flamenco guitars and they are class. He makes an archtop maple that is really awesome. BTW the guitar pictured on the original post is not a flamenco negra. I believe it is his houser, his negra has a different rosette. Try this link on youtube comparing several guitars and his negra (2nd) sounds superior to the rest. And no I am not a "sock Puppet."

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 4:12:53

Murieta

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Rob MacKillop)

Yeah i also though the second one sounded much better, it was very bright and edgy. based on some of the luthier videos i seen I think this attribute is because of the rosewood back and sides. Thats why i am leaning towards a negra as my first flamenco. Thanks for the post.

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ORIGINAL: Rob MacKillop

In order of preference, 2314. The first seemed too classical-like for my tastes, and the last did nothing for me. Difficult to choose between the 2nd and 3rd.

Good playing...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 4:20:29

Murieta

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)

Santos Hernandez huh, nice. How much does this guitar cost? 1933 wouldn't this make it less valuable since i heard that the sound of a guitar declines with too much age, from this video it did not seems so but is this true? and by the way i noticed that the guitar had old styled tuning pegs, would this constantly keep the guitar out of tune? I am asking you these questions because you mentioned that you are a luthier and i want to know from a guitar makers perspective. Great video by the way.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 4:29:07

Stephen Eden

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

well fit pegs are as good as any mechanical tuners out there. They even help keep the head lighter.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 7:37:38

kozz

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

Looped the video several times wwithout watching and stopped it at a moment which I thought what sounded great....
No.1

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 9:51:52

Tom Blackshear

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

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ORIGINAL: Murieta

Santos Hernandez huh, nice. How much does this guitar cost? 1933 wouldn't this make it less valuable since i heard that the sound of a guitar declines with too much age, from this video it did not seems so but is this true? and by the way i noticed that the guitar had old styled tuning pegs, would this constantly keep the guitar out of tune? I am asking you these questions because you mentioned that you are a luthier and i want to know from a guitar makers perspective. Great video by the way.

The Santos guitar has a character that many guitar makers have tried to capture. There is a certain voice that only Santos has and other builders try to emulate.

I think John Ray does a pretty good job with his own style that sounds a lot like this recording.

Peg style is not for everybody but I find them easy to use once I get used to them. Pegs don't slip if they are installed right.

And the actual sound matures and will normally mellow out with age but I've not noticed that this would adversely effect the voice. If a flamenco guitar is built right, then it will maintain its voice for as long as the guitar is holding together; taking into account that it is cared for by the player.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 12:35:05

rogeliocan

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to stpercival)

I like this music. Is it anything in particular? Anyone knows what it is?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 14:50:46

Ramon Amira

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

The first time I watched that video I didn't realize there were four different guitars on it – all I heard was the first blanca. After listening to all of them I think the negra - number two - sounds best – good flamenco sound all around, then number one.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 15:15:39

Richard Jernigan

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to rogeliocan)

If you're referring to the 4-guitar vid, the palo is sevillanas.

It's about on the border between folklore and flamenco. It's part of the flamenco repertoire, but its native ground is the annual spring fair in Seville where you hear it everywhere.

A lot of people sing and dance Sevillanas, but don't really do any other flamenco.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 16:16:25

rogeliocan

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

Thanks but I meant is what he is playing a piece in particular, from someone?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 16:21:29

Murieta

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)

Oh ok, very help full. Thanks

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The Santos guitar has a character that many guitar makers have tried to capture. There is a certain voice that only Santos has and other builders try to emulate.

I think John Ray does a pretty good job with his own style that sounds a lot like this recording.

Peg style is not for everybody but I find them easy to use once I get used to them. Pegs don't slip if they are installed right.

And the actual sound matures and will normally mellow out with age but I've not noticed that this would adversely effect the voice. If a flamenco guitar is built right, then it will maintain its voice for as long as the guitar is holding together; taking into account that it is cared for by the player.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 22:14:25

Murieta

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Ramon Amira)

Yeah i kind of liked the second one better, it sounded louder, clearer and very bright. The first one was nice as well.

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ORIGINAL: Prominent Critic

The first time I watched that video I didn't realize there were four different guitars on it – all I heard was the first blanca. After listening to all of them I think the negra - number two - sounds best – good flamenco sound all around, then number one.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2010 22:17:23

daffey

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta)

GVR does make his guitars in his shop here in Los Angeles. I've been to it and met him. He is very nice and humble gent. He also does great repair work. Many local luthiers in the Los Angeles area actually send their guitars to German for lacquer and polish. He is the real deal