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From: England, living in Italy
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to Florian)
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ok no more birthday wishes for me ... i am bored of saying thank you and i am sick of thinking of different ways of saying it so i dont sound like a robot
I know the feeling but it is October, a great month in this hemisphere anyway.
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RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to Doitsujin)
I've seen worse cases of stepping on the intro. Talegón has what is probably the loudest voice I've ever heard. When he sings in an enclosed space, people will oten react visibly in the first few seconds of the performance. It can make you laugh or make you cringe, depending on the circumstances, like one of those air horns at sporting events. My impression is that some of the Madrid gypsies like some of the things he does, just because of his brute force and "exhuberance." Not surprisingly, when he sings for dancing he gets the job done well.
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to Escribano)
The intro is not one of those which i utterly want to hear, and there are only few intros that i kind of like anyway so... glad that the intro was finished quickly
what i found more distracting is the whole "arranging the mic, fingering the belt" things he does during the intro... i guess it would be less of a problem if he lost 5 or 10 kilos?
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to Ron.M)
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I definitely think he's one of those singers who firmly believes the guitarist is an inferior form of life.
not necessarily...i think he just missed the signal and got confused, came in in the wrong spot...happens all the time with our singers, especially if you rushed and don't have time to run trough every intro... wasn't sure if there was gonna be a short intro or a long intro, or if the guy was just fiddling waiting for him to start... i think its its more a question of human error, nerves, or miscomunication then his attitude imo...... ...they probably didn't run trough it, singer didn't know how and when the intro ends ....I am guessing..even if someone was of that kind of thinking no singer would risk looking bad or like he made a mistake on purpose at a show just to slap the guitarist......then again ...who knows
this is guy greate, i like the way he sings the tarantos, more so in the La Truco dvd
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to Florian)
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ORIGINAL: Florian i think its its more a question of human error, nerves, or miscomunication then his attitude imo...... ...
If the cutting short was NOT intentional, then i think it is more a question of musical ability/knowledge/feeling then anything else. I would expect anybody who is doing flamenco on a daily/weekly basis to get the end of any intro in the first time without having heard or practiced it. If youre really unsure you just wait longer, either for the guitarrist giving a sign, or the pause to become so long that this MUST be the end.
In this case i do think it was intentional. The gap between guitar and singer is too short to be anything else. Especially when he is going to sing free style anyway he can let the gap be longer to really be sure that that was the end.
I would guess 90% of all intros end with the tonic and there is just... ONE . If you dont recognize the tonic of a Granaina, Buleria, whatever, you are a bit in the wrong place IMO.
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to XXX)
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then i think it is more a question of musical ability/knowledge/feeling then anything else. I would expect anybody who is doing flamenco on a daily/weekly basis to get the end of any intro in the first time without having heard or practiced it. If youre really unsure you just wait longer, either for the guitarrist giving a sign, or the pause to become so long that this MUST be the end.
well yes sure, but it happens ...every now and then after a llamada in bulerias i cut into the singers letra by accidentally going into a falseta cause i cant remember is she sings there or she cuts into my falseta when shes not sopossed to sing....when u have about 8 different dancers and they all different, and different places where the letras start ..and some have room for a letra some just small falsetita, and the dancers always rotate weekly where i play....if you wait a compas its too late, some falsetas u have to start on 10 or 11. for the effect..so..i start and she either lets me go or i realize and shorten and adjust... in real life it happens...u dont always get the chance to go trough everything...
in a big show u rehearse everything and plan to death, everything is set and practiced so it dosent happen but the weekly gig we just turn up and do it..plus dancers don't do the same thing, same length all the time...so IMO its a human mistake, they sometimes happen.....i have seen plenty of them by big stars and unknowns...but this is just my opinion of course, feel free to draw your own conclusion
this is the guy we talking about...u dont get to Casa Patas working with this kind of artists if you dont know what u doing...this tarantos is brilliant, the energy, drive and power in this guys voice makes it...it pisses me off the guy hasent uploaded the whole tarantos on youtube, it gets wild ...he absolutely loses it at the end and absolutely sends the energy trough the roof...(in a good way ) ( come to think of it, i will extract the audio and upload it here, the second part)
I love seeing a singer pushing himself that much and giving that much
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to Escribano)
heres the second part of that tarantos..Talegón de Córdoba ...i know his tone takes a little getting used to at first, its very in your face but once you get used to it..it has so much expression, energy and drive, i can totally understand why people like using him for dancers...every time he gets to the tangos in this my heart always climbs up to my throat ...should see his body language too :-)) my type of performer...absolutely gives it everything hes got, always at the very edge of abilities and holds nothing back..to me that shows so much respect for the audience
just cutting and uploading this audio for you now, i have had it on loop for the last 40 minutes
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to Florian)
Yes in real life you can cut short some things. I had a dancer telling me she was glad that i went with her in some part, and i hadnt even realized that she cut one part short. In a different dance i should play a falseta and messed it up because i couldnt get my hands ready for it... you know, when you have to switch from accomp playing to a thumb part or something...
But i kept on playing, i did not stop, or put my guitar aways and lit a cigarette or something. What the singer here does is too clumsy, noobish to be unintentional for somebody of this level. Theres not even compas or something which could cause stress. All he has to do is wait for the right moment. Sorry if you like him and feel im bashing something... i just think that way, its not a big deal, but there are limits in how to hide your mistakes on stage, and this just wasnt one but intention.
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to XXX)
it dosent bother me one bit Deniz, there's no need to say i am sorry to me u think whatever you like of him man...u can bash him as much as you like if that is what you want to do...i don't care, i don't get offended by other peoples opinions of someone i like, in fact i welcome it... feel free to express you opinion as much as you like anyway you like..just expressing mine, its quiet here and atm i enjoy any kind of conversation...i love the guy and i am giving him the benefit of the doubt as far as i am concerned...as long as you have humans involved..u going to have human mistakes, accidents, etc..by any kind of level..sometimes sh*t happens ...to anyone
i bet between all of us we can think of or have seen mistakes that happened to any one in flamenco at any level...from the highest to the lowest
yes some singers are silly ...but none is silly enough to embarrass themselves in public on purpose just to make a point to the guitarist....if he had a problem with the intro or guitarist he would have told him before ...keep your intro short or dont do that...but wouldn't purposely allow himself to look like a dic*head in front of a crowd
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to Florian)
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ORIGINAL: Florian i bet between all of us we can think of or have seen mistakes that happened to any one in flamenco at any level...from the highest to the lowest
Yeah even Paco! True words there amigo. Btw I had no time to look at the video and audio but gotta do that in a minute of leisure (i really had no time... im not one of those who say they have no time but actually they do and just dont want to deal with it. If i dont like something i say it, you know me, LOL)
RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to XXX)
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If i dont like something i say it, you know me, LOL
of course man, that's cool...as i said nothing happening atm and i am enjoying ANY kind of conversation...even if its a disagreement...i got a big night tomorrow and whenever i have a big night or day i have trouble getting to bed earlier, whenever i should sleep, its exactly when i cant, its like my body is rebelling against me ever having a good day when i need it the most lol, i have never done an important show or had an important day rested properly and feeling fresh, its funny and sad at the same time, the second i have nothing on i sleep like a baby and am fresh as a daisy... its 6:20 am here and i still cant get to bed, and its not even cause i am nervous or anything cause i am not...is just my body going against what i know i should do :-)))....and last time i took a sleeping pill i woke up 2 days later to the voice of a dancer who had to come to my house 20 mintes after the show was supposed to start to wake me up cause i couldn't hear the phone...so never again
so there u go ...more then u ever needed to know about my sleeping patterns :-))))) but i am killing time..till the wine kicks in, lucky i dont have too many important days too often or i would be an alcoholic
anyway ...listen to the audio i uploaded if you get a chance, tell me what you think...with that kind of energy il forgive him almost anything...
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RE: Quiet here...noone got nothing t... (in reply to Florian)
It appears you're onto some other topic now... but happy birthday flo and simon!
this place wouldnt be the same without you !!!!...(infact wouldnt exist with you simon)
PS: OOPS! just saw this....
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ok no more birthday wishes for me ... i am bored of saying thank you and i am sick of thinking of different ways of saying it so i dont sound like a robot
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What do you think? 
. If you dont recognize the tonic of a Granaina, Buleria, whatever, you are a bit in the wrong place IMO. 
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