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Arash

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Doitsujin

that was excellent Doit.
also the sound "setting" was almost like Tomatitos sound.
did you use some of kind compressor too? it sounded like it has some special "punch". can you give some details about the setting and what you used? i like that

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i started yesterday with the piece,,, man, this is really hard.
also i am not good at reading tabs and find the proper and original fingering of tomatito. i always learn through videos (with help of tabs), but anyway, lets see.

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KMMI77

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

That's awesome playing Doit!

Even at that tempo you give it a great feel, Very enjoyable man.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 20 2010 11:14:14
 
Pimientito

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to KMMI77

Doit - that sounds great ...although I think you have an advantage in this challenge by choosing a piece that you clearly already know how to play. Why didnt you pick one that you didnt know?
Anyway I looked though the tab today and I'm in. Its a long piece though!!!

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Doitsujin

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

Thanks guys!

@Arash: I use a new mic. One of these sm57... Its pure gold. Im very happy with it. For the rest I followed as good as I could Todds advice which he once kindly provided on video. Meaning mic position to the guitar and basic EQ settings in cubase. I tested some positions for the mic and when I change the angle to the mic, it drastically changes the sound.
I record mono..just 1 track and give it stereo out.. I think I still have much room to make things better.. Oo
I also tested a lot of different strings for my guitar which all sounded very differently. Now I settled down to a combination of la bella 850black and augustine gold for the basses.
For the rest, I just played on the levers and got this punch by accident. :-)
See below the screenshot for EQ .. I have no idea how that works.. all just playing with levers and listen.. :./ (ignore the SubSynth..its crap. There was an article which says you get more power in the deeper nots with it. But all I get is woooooooooo...ringing ears. And this WAVEs thing on the right doesnt work..its on but whatever I do..I hear no difference.

And I have a big problem in cubase which I cant solve till now. When I play the endless-compas-loop the sound stops sometimes for 3 seconds and then goes on. But there is no gap in the loop..I recheck and it plays the part where were no sound like there is no problem.. :.( The problem is, when it does that 3 secs shutdown..it also stops the record of the guitar.. I dont know what the problem is. But with this error I cant record a 5min track at the moment becasue there would be at least 15 errors in the middle... Anybody knows this problem? It really sucks..and I have absolutely no idea how to solve that...

@Pim: Great! You are a good player. Will be fun to watch your playing!!

I actually don´t know why I took this bulerias. We also could have done Paseo de los castnos...It also awesome! Rincones just popped into my mind. I dont have it down completely. But everyone challenges him/herself, so it shouldn´t matter. If there are any problems getting the fingerings or whatever.. I will happily try to help out.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 20 2010 19:16:21
 
Arash

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

thanks for the info Doit.
your problem could be some kind of Latency problem, but i am not sure.
Todd could probably help out with these issues.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 20 2010 20:38:14
 
Doitsujin

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

I saw I plugged my external soundcard to an USB1.0 port.. Now I replugged it into an USB2.0 and the problem seems to be gone. I hope that was the solution... To my settings. Im not completely statisfyed because I changed the natural sound of the guitar ..a lot. Maybe I get more natural sound next weekend.
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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

Sounds great Doit! You definately have a head start on this one.

Best of luck to everybody!

TK

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 21 2010 3:23:37
 
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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to c

holy ****, nice playing, doit! OLE!

you should upload stuff more often.
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aloysius

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Doitsujin

Nice one Doit!

I'd love to give this a go - count me in.

Aloysius

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yohan

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

damn thats very good played diot!
nice clear sound, cant wait to hear to full piece!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 21 2010 9:09:58
 
Doitsujin

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

Thanks all!! But we still have much work in front of us. Good to have 2 more players in! gemnelo + aloysius! Great!
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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Doitsujin

Nice playing man. You sound like you are from Jerez.
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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

I show there that you can play some picados as ligados as Tomatito does it in some videos.


wimp

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 23 2010 20:21:23

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Ricardo

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I show there that you can play some picados as ligados as Tomatito does it in some videos


The orginal recording is picado, not legato. So you better get your picado in shape REALLY fast Doit!

Why in the world would you choose a piece that has parts you cant play in it??????

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2010 3:02:30
 
CarloJuan

 

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Ricardo

quote:



wimp


tell me you just didn't say that...lol
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2010 3:04:43
 
Florian

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to CarloJuan

u testosterone maniac Doit :-) il kill you..only doing a few hours on the weekend my arse ...u must have been working on this piece for 5 years


this freaking piece is madness ...i am going to have to do nothing but this from now till May ....but theres no way on hell i am backing out ...i got no problems up to falseta 3 at 62% speed


i like it how noone else complains like its nothing ,...u bunch of fakes


i liked what Toddk said...an advanced challenge shouldn't be about playing hard pieces ...should be about playing normal or intermediate pieces good..

wait till i see you Doit i am gonna kill you


but i like it ...just pis*es me off that i am the only one complaining thats all

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Pimientito

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Florian

quote:

i like it how noone else complains like its nothing.....u bunch of fakes


I was scared of being called a wimp by Ricardo.

Seriously though Doit, this piece is madness and you've chosen it cos you have a several month headstart on the rest of us. You had better win or we will all throw tomatoes at you for the rest of 2011

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2010 7:40:38
 
Florian

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Pimientito

OLEEEEEEEEE Pimientito...now i feel human...atleast i know we all have hard work ahead with this one...i was gonna be pis*ed off if i was the only one finding it hard..like i am going ant speed and you all just cruising through it..making videos and sounding excellent after 2 days of practicing it

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2010 7:58:07
 
Arash

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Florian

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ORIGINAL: Florian
i liked what Toddk said...an advanced challenge shouldn't be about playing hard pieces ...should be about playing normal or intermediate pieces good..


or playing advanced pieces slower than original (even with some alterations) and play it.
that would be a similar solution.
and just imagine how much we learn with such a piece. thats the best part of it.
something so hard, you have never tried. that pushes you forward and improves you faster than usual imo.

btw, you are not the only one complaining. , i was going to post a very pessimistic post, but luckily you were the first one and i am not alone now

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XXX

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

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ORIGINAL: Arash
and just imagine how much we learn with such a piece.


couldnt agree more. I have falseta 1 and 3 at slower speed now. Falseta 1 is a bit too easy, ive spent little time on it, but falseta 3 is really nice and i have learned alot about string changes, thumb, thumb, chords, thumb, rhythm, thumb.

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tilsitter

 

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to XXX

Good that I don´t know how hard it is...
I will not start to practice before Christmas, don´t have any time due to PhDShiT
But then I´ll rip it off just in a few days I guess
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2010 10:56:01
 
Doitsujin

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

First read the rules (which arent really rules) guys than shoot!
@Pim: We are not competing each other. Its all in the rules. Save the tomatoes for Spaghetti Bolognese..... .... .. . .. .... ... hhmmm.... Bolognese! :-)

Im just showing how it can be done. Tomatito played it with the same ligados on stage as I did ..so I didnt really change anything.
If you want just 1:1 copys, swich to classics. Than you can complain about snaring E-strings, too. :.P We are in f l a m e n c o here...
As next you want me to mimic Tomatitos face as well while playing.. tststs funny guys. *shaking head*

Guys.. dont loose yourself in vanities and put your energy in your playing! No pain no gain! ;.)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 24 2010 11:16:50
 
Ron.M

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

Im just showing how it can be done. Tomatito played it with the same ligados on stage as I did ..so I didnt really change anything.
If you want just 1:1 copys, swich to classics. Than you can complain about snaring E-strings, too. :.P We are in f l a m e n c o here...


I agree 100% with Doit....he was just showing an alternative way using ligado.

Sounded impressive enough to me anyway!

Anyway, everyone upload anything you want to and let's wait and see..

(if you get stuck you can always ask a girl to help you with the picado.. )

cheers,

Ron
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Florian

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

@Pim: We are not competing each other. Its all in the rules.



auu save that bulls*it new age talk for germany mate . ...we all upload the same piece ...regardless of how much head start we had or didnt have, noones gonna care or remember... as far as anyone listening or watching is concerned...we are competing against eachother....save the hippy talk

anyway noones backing out and noone said they cant do it ...we just bonding a litlle with agreeing that the piece is hard, complaining and making conversation...thats all

dont worry we gonna hold our own when time comes mr swap picado for pullofs .. ( cant you do picado ? ...what are you a wimp ?)

since you allready know the whole piece you shouldnt have problems working out one litlle picado line between now and the deadline ..

I am gonna call you "the hustler" from now on :-)))


and dont condescend us with your " have a go" challenge yourselfs guys...we either gonna try or win or nothing...besides 20 pushups a week this is my next goal...what you think u can just hustle us and we just gona sitt here and wach you march to victory .. ..better practice your picado


quote:

(if you get stuck you can always ask a girl to help you with the picado.. )


lol i dont know...see is she needs me to stitch something for her in return

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 26 2010 0:24:21
 
KMMI77

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

As next you want me to mimic Tomatitos face as well while playing..


Doit,

Can you get some of those leather pants that he wears in the encuentro dvd? For the final video it would be a nice touch.

And maybe another graph showing flamenconess of playing results with and without wearing leather pants.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 26 2010 0:31:28
 
Doitsujin

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Arash

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we are competing against eachother.

wrong

quote:

dont worry we gonna hold our own when time comes mr swap picado for pullofs .. ( cant you do picado ? ...what are you a wimp ?)


Did I say I can´t ?

Just to clarify,... that interested people could make use out of our smooth talking:
Ligado is a great technique. In many situations it actually sounds much better and is more dynamic than just scale-hammering. I like it more than picado. Just imagine tomatito or Vicente without ligado... Especially Vicente brought it to perfection which is very characteristic for his playing. Its also a major aspect of Tomatitos playing. Its not lame at all IMO. Just a question of musical taste, which is most important. (More than demonstrating that one can tie ones shoes with his teeth.) I know people who have a great picado but cant do proper ligado. It balance each other. Seems like some people still have to learn that lesson. tststs

@KMMI77
hahaha...^^ yes this leather pants..omg! Too expensive for me. Im too poor. But I could analyze it with a graph.. hehe hmm but I have another idea.


quote:

...save the hippy talk

I like your statements.. :.) (Just the expression itself. Its great!)

20 pushups a week?? All at the same day? You crazy australian guy!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 26 2010 6:45:55
 
Florian

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RE: Challenge Rincones de loles (in reply to Doitsujin

i am just playing amigo ...i am enjoying it very much

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