Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. Complete Colection. 10 DVD+CD

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kozz

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From: Eindhoven NL

Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. Comp...

Hello,
does anyone have this Eductional DVD series?

http://www.flamencoexport.com/all-flamenco/guitars/manuel-salado-flamenco-guitar--complete-colection--10-dvdcd.html

I had ordered it at flamenco-world, but they don't seem to deliver and therefore I have canceled the order.
At flamenco-export it is also available and I'll order it there.

Just wandering if anybody is using these series.

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Mike_Kinny

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

I'm not using it but I know it's very advanced level. For me it would take the rest of my life to learn one falseta of it.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 23 2010 11:48:41

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to Mike_Kinny)

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I'm not using it but I know it's very advanced level. For me it would take the rest of my life to learn one falseta of it.

hahaha, that's money well spent than I suppose

But very advanced makes me think twice about it.
Isn't it something more like intermediate, the previews werent that difficult?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 23 2010 12:02:33

Mike_Kinny

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

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Isn't it something more like intermediate

Not in my book anyway.

You can also buy only one volume i.e. the palo of your choice and see if you can manage passed the first page.

The DVD's are done by Manolo Franco. You know Manolo isn't really a guitarist. He is rather a 3-head monster.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 23 2010 12:24:00

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to Mike_Kinny)

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Not in my book anyway.

You can also buy only one volume i.e. the palo of your choice and see if you can manage passed the first page.

The DVD's are done by Manolo Franco. You know Manolo isn't really a guitarist. He is rather a 3-head monster.

Hahaha, that fits well with my split pesonallity

...2 against 3 is possible

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 23 2010 12:36:26

Lucerom

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

I purchased the entire series. I like that the music is very current and enjoyable to listen to. Also, you can learn to play solo or accompanying cante.

However, like Mike said this material is for the advanced player. I tried the Solea, thinking it would be easy but I couldn't even play the intro because the chord used requires a finger stretch that only Plastic Man could do. It was a reality check for me. "Move back 10 spaces".

Still something to aspire too, but I since it's been about 3 years since I took lessons and played my guitar I've decided to start with Jose Manuel Montoya's Guitarra Flamenca en 48 Clases series, then Oscar Herrero's Paso a Paso, and then Manuel Salados.

Good luck!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 23 2010 13:52:37

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to Lucerom)

quote:

I purchased the entire series. I like that the music is very current and enjoyable to listen to. Also, you can learn to play solo or accompanying cante.

Thanks Lucerom!
I was espacially interested in the accompanying-part, its what I liked about the Oscar Herrero's p.a.p series.

About reallity-checks...almost every part does that to me, but thats good...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 23 2010 15:12:27

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

It had arrived and quickly scanned through some DVD's.
It's got some very nice material on it, and indeed some very andvanced.

Also the way it has been set up is ok.
The concert part for falsetta collections and the accompaniement section for compas.
A minor point is that the transcriptions are only onscreen, and that by the exercises extra compas variations you can only see or left or right hand.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2010 10:55:21

Lucerom

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

You can copy the transcriptions by using a screen capture software like Snagit which is about $50. Then you will be able to turn the screen capture into a PDF.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2010 14:30:18

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to Lucerom)

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You can copy the transcriptions by using a screen capture software like Snagit which is about $50. Then you will be able to turn the screen capture into a PDF.

I use VLC player which has also an option to capture frames...finally it comes to use

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2010 17:34:16

mark indigo

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

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I use VLC player which has also an option to capture frames

I also have VLC, I didn't know it could do screen capture, how do you do it?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 26 2010 17:24:14

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to mark indigo)

rightclick > video > capture
snapshots are saved in My Pictures

Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Attachment (1)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 26 2010 17:31:52

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

or the shortcutfunction:

Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 26 2010 17:36:53

mark indigo

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

thanks, will try it out!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 26 2010 21:16:28

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 27 2010 14:57:03

mark indigo

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to Guest)

I have the Tanguillos one. I have watched it a few times and listened to the cd a lot. It is advanced, and I haven't got around to studying it yet, but I will eventually. Whether I end up being able to play it is another matter!

I like Manolo Franco's playing very much, and have his first album "Aljibe".

Manolo said in an interview that the ten pieces on these DVD's are basically his new/latest album. I wish they would put all ten tracks on one CD so I could buy it. I would like to hear all of them.

The "concert" Tanguillos is in C# phrygian and is a modern style Tanguillos. The accompanying cante is in A major and is the older style of Tanguillos. What about the other DVD's, can you fill me in on what keys the other palos are played in?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 27 2010 19:21:14

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to mark indigo)

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The "concert" Tanguillos is in C# phrygian and is a modern style Tanguillos. The accompanying cante is in A major and is the older style of Tanguillos. What about the other DVD's, can you fill me in on what keys the other palos are played in?

I will have a look at it today Mark, keep you informed!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2010 5:13:37

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

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I will have a look at it today Mark, keep you informed!

Mark, I can not help you with that, on the DVD's they explain the transition, so I thought C# would be mentioned by the Tanguillos, but it wasn't,
I need some more theoretical background.
Perhaps the audiofiles I'd sent you will clear things up for you.

About the teaching method, yeah, its not JM or GGM going to the point, or just like many Encuentro series. (I'll show you normal tempo en than lentamento).
It kinda forces you to check the DVD very well and in steps.
But the cante accompeniement is great, because it is basically compas strumming in the normal key. The solo pieces are in other keys, so that are nice variations.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2010 5:47:22

Stu

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to Guest)

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Heck even Juan Martin is better!!!!

really?

was considering the alegrias one...
any comments on that one kozz or lucerom?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2010 11:03:58

mark indigo

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to Stu)

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I have the Manuel Salado Bulerias and Solea DVD's.

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I find his style dry, his music is not so inspiring to me ..... and the teaching "method" sucks .... you're better off with ...... Encuentro series

this is completely contradictory, maybe nealf doesn't realise that the guitarist in the "Manuel Salado" series is the same as one of the Encuentro dvd's - Manolo Franco.

The playing on the one I've got is impeccable (and in a different league entirely from "Juan Martin"), and the solo "piece" is broken up into falsetas and played slowly, with left and right hand camera angles close ups.

The really odd thing is instead of a book with tabs etc. you get the transcription on the dvd and can't even print it without elaborate screen shots etc. - but maybe that is to encourage you not to use the transcription and learn from watching and listening only?!

As lucerom says, it is advanced, like most of the Encuentro's.

I would say if you like the Encuentro vids, especially Manolo Franco, and Rafael Riqueni, then you will get on fine with the Manuel Salado/Manolo Franco dvd's.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2010 13:33:54

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to mark indigo)

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this is completely contradictory, maybe nealf doesn't realise that the guitarist in the "Manuel Salado" series is the same as one of the Encuentro dvd's - Manolo Franco.

The playing on the one I've got is impeccable (and in a different league entirely from "Juan Martin"), and the solo "piece" is broken up into falsetas and played slowly, with left and right hand camera angles close ups.

The really odd thing is instead of a book with tabs etc. you get the transcription on the dvd and can't even print it without elaborate screen shots etc. - but maybe that is to encourage you not to use the transcription and learn from watching and listening only?!

As lucerom says, it is advanced, like most of the Encuentro's.

I would say if you like the Encuentro vids, especially Manolo Franco, and Rafael Riqueni, then you will get on fine with the Manuel Salado/Manolo Franco dvd's.

I couldn't agree more.
It's a different approach how to tacle a piece. I was confused also in the beginning because I liked to be "feedspooned". But this setup actually helped me focussing on just 1 part and then the other and then the combination.

But I can understand that some people don't like his playing. But then again, there are nice falsettas on it, and you don't have to immitate him, you can lay your own expression in it.

Nealf,
hopefully you do lay your own expression in it when you playing studie material from JM and GGM

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2010 14:03:53

Ron.M

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

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"feedspooned"

An excellent "Spoonerism" there Kozz!

(as good as Doit's "bankrot"!)

I shall use that myself from now on!

cheers,

Ron

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2010 15:08:14

mark indigo

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to Guest)

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I would ask both you and "Mark Indigo" to post a video showing how you put your own personal expression on what you have studied from Encuentro or whoever else. I would be happy to learn from both you maestros. Put your money where your mouth is ... words are cheap.

i think you are over-reacting quite a lot here, there really is no need to get upset and start making silly demands

you said you didn't like manolo franco's music or teaching, you said encuentro was better, i pointed out a contradiction in that manolo franco made an encuentro with the same style of music and teaching, what's the problem?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2010 16:53:20

yohan

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to kozz)

quick question:
Why does the dvd called "manuel salado: flamenco guitar" when manolo franco is playing?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2010 20:43:37

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to Guest)

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Kozz - Why the snide remark? You started this thread and I gave my opinion trying to be helpful. You can ignore my opinion. But at least be a bit more mature or civil about it.

Point taken, but if you think twice you would know I have no pleasure in or reason for being "snidy".

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I don't know how to put my own personal expression on the materials I study. Since I am not a good player and humble enough to admit it (does this make you happy to read?)

I really don't care about any players level, but the Encuentro serie s aren't excactly the easiest so I assume you must at least be intermediate.
But I am not here to make excuses all the time, and straighten assumptions you make because that is not in my circle of influence.

For whats worth it, I've spent my money well, and it'll take me another 15 years to be able to play all 11 pieces from the series.

If I offended you, sorry for that, but its not unreasonable to ask to take things not so seriously personal, and see my "snide" more as an advise, for your own playing pleasure.
I'd started with JM and GGM also, great teaching material for getting acqainted. But when you listen to a lot of recordings you see what I mean.

Take care!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2010 22:13:36

kozz

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RE: Manuel Salado: Flamenco Guitar. ... (in reply to yohan)

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Why does the dvd called "manuel salado: flamenco guitar" when manolo franco is playing?

Good question, because sometimes it is also called Manolo "Franco: Flamenco guitar"
Best place for an answer would be www.manuelsalado.es

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2010 22:16:55