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I found a score book of PDL's early stuff with Camaron de la Isla. I'd like to learn some of his more traditional work. It's called "PDL Tocando al Camaron." It's listed under another name on Amazon.com.
Has anyone seen this? Does it contain only the falsetas? Esflamenco.com states it has all the falsetas, but the other site doesn't mention this.
Any insite would be appreciated before I spend a bunch of $$.
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RE: Anyone seen this PDL book? (in reply to akatune)
A while back I saw a book of sheet music of Paco's solos in Sam Ash on 48th Street in Manhattan – music row. I seem to recall it had a lot of music in there. By chance, I'm going to be in a different Sam Ash store later today. I'll take a look, and if they have it I'll give you the info.
P.S. I just took a look and found this at Sam Ash online. This is not the book I was referring to, but might be useful. It says TABS, so it might not be sheet music. The book I saw was all standard sheet music. But for anyone interested in tabs for Paco, this looks pretty good.
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RE: Anyone seen this PDL book? (in reply to akatune)
I did go to Sam Ash today, and I actually found the same book that I was referring to. I'll post the complete contents tomorrow. Incidentally, it does have both sheet music and tabs.
this book is completely and utterly terrible, most of the "transcriptions" bear no relation to the original pieces and those that do are in the wrong key.
I think they were either "transcribed" by a computer, or more likely by ear by someone with no knowledge of flamenco guitar. some of them are more or less accurate but didn't realise the capo was on fret 2 or 3,so are in wrong key. If you can sightread and transpose at sight maybe that's ok, but if you want tabs, forget it.
Don't spend money on it. It should be banned. (someone gave it to me, i kept it for a bit as didn't want to appear ungrateful, then put it in the trash where it belonged).
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Also, Amazon has several books of PDL sheet music scores, but they're pretty expensive.
these are expensive, but at least they are closer to what is actually on the recordings. The Canizares transcription of Fuente Y Caudal is most accurate in my opinion (he should have done them all). The first one is a bit hit and miss but alright (the pitches are not too bad, but time values a bit odd at times, and it is not "Fabulosa Guitarra" in it's entirety, but half of that and half of "Duende Flamenco"). For early PDL go for the first 2 books.
or contact "Affedis", although they don't advertise PDL tabs anymore if you ask nicely you can still buy them. expensive, but cheaper if you buy 3 or more.
this book is completely and utterly terrible, most of the "transcriptions" bear no relation to the original pieces and those that do are in the wrong key.
When I said that book "looks pretty good," all I had seen was a picture of the cover, and I had no idea what the contents were, merely that it had Paco solos with tabs. Now that you have described the contents, it's exactly as I have seen in many other cases, where whoever did the transcribing didn't know flamenco. Also I have several books of sheet music transcriptions of Sabicas solos, and the imbecile who transcribed them did exactly the same thing you mention – transcribed it from music that had been played with a cejilla on the third or fourth fret, and so instead of the proper key, you get something like five sharps, etc., and I can think of things I'd rather do than sight read and transpose.
The book I found in Sam Ash has the following – I'll give it by palo and also by title in case anyone is looking for something in particular that they know by name. Incidentally, it turns out that the book does have tabs along with sheet music.
The book is "La Fabulosa Guitarra de Paco de Lucia – Partituras - Mel Bay Publications – Publication #MB20983
Barrio la Vina – Alegrias De Madrugo – Siguiriyas Farruca – no title Impetu – Mario Escudero's famous Bulerias Jerezana – Bulerias Llanto a Cadiz – Tientos Punta del Faro – Bulerias Punta Umbra – Fandango de Huelva
I was in between lessons, and barely had time to copy this down, so I didn't get a chance to play through any of this, and so I can't comment on the contents, but all of them are fairly long, so there's a lot of music there. Whenever I can find the time I'll go back and play through the book and give a report.
RE: Anyone seen this PDL book? (in reply to akatune)
agree, dont buy that blue book that's crap!
the paco de lucia 'official' series seems very good transcriped tough, i've checked the fuente y caudal book and these were very accurate, although to hard for me to play
RE: Anyone seen this PDL book? (in reply to yohan)
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dont buy that blue book that's crap!
I actually learned Punta Umbria from that book (It was my first piece) But yes my teacher and I had to make a few modifications because some of the notes and chords were wrong, but overall its not THAT bad.
RE: Anyone seen this PDL book? (in reply to CuerdasDulces)
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dont buy that blue book that's crap!
I actually learned Punta Umbria from that book (It was my first piece) But yes my teacher and I had to make a few modifications because some of the notes and chords were wrong, but overall its not THAT bad.
from what i remember Punta Umbria is one of the few that are nearly correct, nearly everything else is worse - overall it IS that bad!
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When I said that book "looks pretty good," all I had seen was a picture of the cover,
man, the cover has 5 pictures of electric guitars on it!
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RE: Anyone seen this PDL book? (in reply to akatune)
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When I said that book "looks pretty good," all I had seen was a picture of the cover,
man, the cover has 5 pictures of electric guitars on it!
Hi Mark – That's hilarious. I didn't even notice the pictures – all I saw at a very quick glance were the words Paco de Lucia and Tabs, so I thought it might be good for anyone looking for Paco Tabs. But even if I had noticed the pictures I still would have pointed the book out for anyone interested. Presumably it's still Paco Tabs, and you see silly cockamamie pictures like that on book covers all the time.
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RE: Anyone seen this PDL book? (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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this book is completely and utterly terrible, most of the "transcriptions" bear no relation to the original pieces and those that do are in the wrong key.
yeah this book is rotten eggs!!!
I actually bought this book in the early days of my flamenco studies and yeah , shouldve guessed by the electric guitars! I tried to take it back and get my money back but the shop denied. They said id use it and the spine was slightly bent "weve never had any complaints before" I was sick with rage that day...suggesting i was a liar!!
RE: Anyone seen this PDL book? (in reply to akatune)
Hi akatune, the book you are asking about 'PDL Tocando a Camaron, etude de style' by Claude Worms, is a collection of falsetas from early Camaron recordings, extracted here on the accompanying CD. They are very similar to the earlier Scores-on-line tabs for the Fosforito anthology (see here: http://www.score-on-line.com/freescores.php?collection=flamenco ), in that they may contain a meaure or two of chordal accompaniment (un compas de compas) , but they are not designed to teach the entire arrangement. However, armed with the falsetas and a good ear, it should not be very hard to connect the dots. You might want to check out the book 'Camaron' by David Leiva, these purport to transcribe some entire arrangements, and many of the examples provided are from the 'traditional' era. https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/producto/camaron-(libro)/5261/
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RE: Anyone seen this PDL book? (in reply to akatune)
That book of bad transcripts of paco was originally by jose torregrosa I think, he played piano and made arrangements for strings on paco's duende album and was his record producer for years. He made those transcripts to protect paco and make him and the publisher he worked for royalties. The recording royalties are protected by (P) and written score royalties by (C). Because the music gets liscensed out and re printed every few years, you can find many versions of the same crap. The fact some one put it in tab is really smart marketing, but of course a rip off. The same is done for most all pop artists. I will never forget the first Van Halen book I bought that hardly resembled the guitar parts. It is a score arranged by a pianist to help the artists and publisher get royalties, but not a literal note for note transcription.
The new books of paco were done in response to under the table accurate transcripts of guys like Alain Faucher, who do so illegally and pay no royalties. Yet they are good transcriptions which is a shame. Based on book 1 (fabulosa) vs book 2 (fantasia) I suspect the transcriber who was again trying to do good by paco, sucked it up and copied faucher for fantasia, cuz no way the same guy could do such a bad job first and good job second. For the record I noticed Encuentro also ripping off faucher's transcriptions (same odd mistakes like a secret water mark).
I concur that Cañizares did good with fuente book 3. That is a accurate plus all rights going to the right place etc. But in general if you want accurate paco or any flamenco, go to faucher, under the table or not it is true to the art in terms of fingering and accuracy.
Printable Version
(It was my first piece) 
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