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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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 RE: Castillo negra (in reply to M.S.A.)
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ORIGINAL: M.S.A.
what surprises me, many people sing very nice songs about Castillo guitars, so I don't know.
There is really nothing to be surprised imo.
Let say we have 300 pro. flamenco guitar builders worldwide.
I have always read from SOMEONE that one of these guitars was the best he ever played.
The point is: i don't know how that person plays guitar, i don't know which type of sound he prefers, i don't know how soft or hard he plays, i don't know the anatomy of his hand/fingers, i don't know his technique, i don't know ANYTHING, i just read a 100% subjective opinion from someone.
Even if Anders says here that the Castillos he played were dull, it could be just his way of playing and his preferation is something different. Maybe those guitars would be GREAT in my hands. Maybe not. Who knows.
I hope you get my point.
As Deniz always says: try before buy.
Also be prepared that let say in 5 years you might hate your current Guitar, because YOU changed.
I am not saying that these discussions like here in this thread are completely useless, but never rely on somebody elses opinion when it comes to buying a Guitar. Even if Paco would want to sell to you one of his Condes for 1000$, try it out and see if thats what YOU want.
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Date May 20 2010 0:55:16
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Castillo negra (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
There is a fine line between a flamenca negra and a classical guitar. To be mean in general, just about all the negras I have played were like classical guitars to me. Conde Hermanos is an exception, they some how take out much of that sicking sweetness and super bass that classicals have and most other flamenco negras. But after all I prefer Conde blancas any day. I like a drier percussive sound. Like Amontillado is the negra, and manzanilla or fino is a good blanca.
So Castillo negras were all classicals to me. Same goes for all others except for maybe 3 I have tried.
2 Robert Ruck negras were VERY flamenco, and oddly better sounding then his blancas to me personally. This is assuming you plug the sound ports!  . And Sanchis pau Ferro, ONE that I tried was very flamenco sounding for a negra. But the rosewood guitars of sanchis are also like classicals to me.
And Conde hermanos. That's about it for me that I have tried. The rest are classicals with a low bridge and a tap plate. Deep loud, sweet, tons of overtones.
Castillo blancas are fantastic however, and I would say any of the ones I have tried would impress anders. I have tried a couple of Anders guitars too so I think I am right about this. I understand why he did not like the negras.
Ricardo
HI Ricardo,
I'm trying to finish up a Reyes style flamenco negra with Brazilian rosewood for the GFA festival in June 2010. This one will have his head and rosette style, which I've never done with the rosette before, but this time I wanted to honor his name with this special build. The rosewood feels very light in its weight and I think the guitar will be on the lighter side of most flamenco negras. But I have to agree that many negras today don't have that certain flavor of the Blanca guitars, and this will be my experiment to try and equal certain aspects of sound that originate with the Blanca guitar. In any case, I'm looking forwad to this particular instrument being finished :-)
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Date May 21 2010 6:32:43
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a_arnold
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RE: Castillo negra (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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But I have to agree that many negras today don't have that certain flavor of the Blanca guitars, and this will be my experiment to try and equal certain aspects of sound that originate with the Blanca guitar.
I think most would agree with Ricardo that there is a fine line between negras and classical. But I have to ask: if you want the crisp sound of a blanca, why get a negra?
When I am called upon to play a solo during a costume change for the dancers, I sometimes play something classical (usually one of the romantics like Tarrega, Granados, Barrios or Villa Lobos). For that I pull out my Brazilian RW Castillo negra. It is a classical guitar with a flamenco action, basically. Maybe a little more crisp than most classicals, but it is good for classical and Sabicas' old set pieces that have a strong classical feel to them.
But I NEED the blanca to cut through the dancers' footwork. I don't WANT sweetness and mellowness at times like that. Different animals. Don't ask for too much mellowness from a blanca, or too much crispness from a negra.
However, I have to say that the palo escrito flamenco that I just got from Castillo does have a very flamenco sound. Palo escrito, however, is lighter than Brazilian rosewood. Also a prettier, more highly figured wood.
There is a spectrum of sound from the best classical to the best blanca. Negras are between, and rightly so.
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Date May 23 2010 15:16:57
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