some cool metronome practice ideas

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at_leo_87

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some cool metronome practice ideas

most metronomes probably can't go slow enough for flamenco stuff, but you can apply the same ideas if you had a drum machine/program,etc.

try having it click only on twelve, it's hard!

i remember ron had an experiment that used the same concept, where your brain had to fill in the beats, only it was more extreme and the silence was stretched out over a minute or something like that.

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Pgh_flamenco

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Victor's incredible. I saw him perfom on BET when it used to broadcast jazz performances after midnight. Bela did pima arps on the banjo that were more impressive than anything I've ever seen Gerardo or PDL do. He went through chord forms so fast they sounded like scalar runs. Everyone in the Flectones is innovative. I think Victor's brother created a percussion instrument and that's what he uses in the band. Anyway, nice find...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2010 21:28:18

KMMI77

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

I love victors soul circus album! This guy would be great with diego de morao. Imagine those two pushing and pulling the groove together.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2010 21:34:27

guitarbuddha

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

(12)111(12)111(12)111(12)111(12)010(12)010(12)010(12)010(12)000(12)000(12)000(12)000(12)000(12)000(12)000(12)000

If you cut and paste this into Weird Metronome you get some to move between the support of evey beat(4bars) then every second then just the first beat in the bar(8bars).

You can do a lot of clever stuff with the weird metronome if you realise that the dialogue box can fit much more than you can see.

I agree Victor is great !!!!

D.

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XXX

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

thx for posting! I was once at an Alan Hoodsworth concert and the drummer played a different type of rhythm on every cycle. It is all great to get new inspirations, but keep in mind that compas is an alternating rhythm in itself, although we get used to it, until it becomes ONE whole cycle. I think its a good practice idea which he shows at the end, but i have seen it already here being posted, which once again shows how competent guys are around here

For compas i think a compas loop is better, for pure rhythm a metronome. Once i learned a buleria falseta only using my foot/metronome. It turned out that i mixed it up (in hearing it out) so that it wouldnt stand against a compas loop.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 3 2010 8:58:02

Ricardo

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Thanks for posting that man. I have been talking about this for years, use a slow click and feel the subdivisions between. He "weens himself off the metronome" that way. Also notice he keeps the foot going to help. You can see from this the goal to keep good internal time and how "potty training" subdividing and accenting metronomes don't help. While doing a 12 beat cycle is a lot, honestly to do what he was doing you could used the metronome to keep 2's (12,2,4,6,8,10), then 3's (12,3,6,9) and finally just the 6's (12,6)....all those I think are available for flamenco rhythms using a normal basic metronome.

As a side note I had a guitar student a few years ago the grew up in my neighborhood but was special forces soldier. He got inspired by flamenco and had some talent, it was funny he looked like GI Joe!

His mom was a jazz piano player. He said when he was a kid his best friend was Victor Wooten and they had the same Kung Fu teacher. Somehow in addition to that training Victor developed the skill of human tracking (look at the ground of foot prints and learn info about weight, direction, location etc). In fact he said Victor was possibly the BEST in the USA that he knew of. Pretty crazy.

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Once i learned a buleria falseta only using my foot/metronome. It turned out that i mixed it up (in hearing it out) so that it wouldnt stand against a compas loop.

Then you learned it wrong somehow by adding or subtracting notes or spaces in time. I try to get students to loop a short phrase with foot but keep it medium speed to groove with. Add a note or just a couple at a time, but keep the groove going. Eventually the thing will add up to being "in compas".

If any of you guys have tricky falseta compas wise for say bulerias, I will make a vid for you how to learn it.... or at least how I learn it and practice it to get it in compas that way.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2010 7:00:03

Elie

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

wow that guy is so good .. phew he didn't miss any note

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If any of you guys have tricky falseta compas wise for say bulerias, I will make a vid for you how to learn it.... or at least how I learn it and practice it to get it in compas that way.

I would really be so thankful Ricardo if you could do that
as I have a very **tricky** falseta . (you've listened to my buleria)
I started to work with the metronome more often since you told me to do so I think im gettin better ..
but I hope that you post something to help me understand it more.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2010 9:06:11

at_leo_87

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

hey guys,
yeah, victor is the man! he's really musical and a technique monster at the same time. and apparently a trained killing machine as well.

ricardo,
do you set the metronomes for 2's, 3's, and 6's for palos such as solea and alegrias as well?

that would be awesome if you would make a video of your learning method! i'll give someone else a chance to make a request but if no one does, can you make a video of this tomatito falseta? maybe you know it already, it starts like this.

$5.5.$4.7 p3 5h7 $5 4 $4 3h5h7 $3 3 $5.3.$4.7 p3 5h7 $6 6 $5 3 $4 3 7p3

i'll try to think of a more tricky one but that's the only one i can think of off the top of my head right now.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2010 9:52:36

XXX

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
Then you learned it wrong somehow by adding or subtracting notes or spaces in time. I try to get students to loop a short phrase with foot but keep it medium speed to groove with. Add a note or just a couple at a time, but keep the groove going. Eventually the thing will add up to being "in compas".

If any of you guys have tricky falseta compas wise for say bulerias, I will make a vid for you how to learn it.... or at least how I learn it and practice it to get it in compas that way.

Remember the Diego del Morao falseta that you recorded years ago on video? The intro to that falseta i tried to pick up. In october i could play it against my feet, it sounded in time. Then with solo compas..."oooops"
As you say its just two beats missing or that are two much. Because i tap my foot in twos in bulerias.

Not only the intro, but also in the falseta the first time you get to the E chord (thumb down-up on g string 1st fret, hameron/pullof 1^2^1, then F# - E, then chord strumming Eadd9). There is a certain amount of time you have to stay on E9 or it is not in compas anymore. I should have been more concentrated, but it sounded ok against feet so i didnt have reason to question it, and learned it wrongly.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2010 9:54:49

Ricardo

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

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ORIGINAL: at_leo_87

hey guys,
yeah, victor is the man! he's really musical and a technique monster at the same time. and apparently a trained killing machine as well.

ricardo,
do you set the metronomes for 2's, 3's, and 6's for palos such as solea and alegrias as well?

that would be awesome if you would make a video of your learning method! i'll give someone else a chance to make a request but if no one does, can you make a video of this tomatito falseta? maybe you know it already, it starts like this.

$5.5.$4.7 p3 5h7 $5 4 $4 3h5h7 $3 3 $5.3.$4.7 p3 5h7 $6 6 $5 3 $4 3 7p3

i'll try to think of a more tricky one but that's the only one i can think of off the top of my head right now.

Ok, I actually don't know that one so will learn it now and make a video how I did it.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2010 10:11:05

jg7238

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Excellent video. I think the metronome is better for practicing compas (keeping in mind that you know the compas already of course) than any solo compas cd or palmas track.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2010 11:21:09

yohan

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

good topic, very interesting

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2010 11:23:45

Ricardo

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to at_leo_87)

Actually it took a few minutes to find my tomatito encuentro video and book, and go through the fingerings. But basically it took about 8 minutes to get it in compas by practicing this way.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2010 11:28:53

at_leo_87

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RE: some cool metronome practice ideas (in reply to Ricardo)

whoa, that was.....fast!

thanks so much for making that! you're the man! that was really cool. it's like speed learning.

haha, that was funny when you shook out your hand, those stretches get tiring. lol.

btw, your shoes made a nice metronome click. i gotta ditch the rubber sneakers and upgrade!

ok, got to get back to practice and apply your technique.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 4 2010 12:12:02