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 RE: Conde for sale (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Jim
I cannot understand why you should want to sell a Conde which you consider to be good, just to you want to buy a cheap replacement. It is not easy to find a good guitar in Andalucia for much less than 2000 euros, unless you go to Valencia.
I would be tempted to buy a good Conde for 2,500 pounds, but I have never played a Conde worth the asking price. Keep it.
Suerte
Sean
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Date Nov. 29 2004 16:22:33
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Jim Opfer
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From: Glasgow, Scotland.
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RE: Conde for sale (in reply to Guest)
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I cannot understand why you should want to sell a Conde which you consider to be good, just to you want to buy a cheap replacement. It is not easy to find a good guitar in Andalucia for much less than 2000 euros, unless you go to Valencia.
Hi Sean,
Reason being I've got 3 very good guitars, El Conde being one.
I have a Maldonado blanca on it's way probably mid February.
In contrast, I want a less expensive guitar for day to day use, one that I don't have to worry about too much lying around the house and I can take out and about. Thought of a Bernal 'Prodigio'? not expensive, mahogany fingerboard, cedar top, lightweight and good fun to play.
El Conde sleeps in his bed most days and that's not good for either of us.
Jim.
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Date Nov. 29 2004 16:48:45
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RE: Conde for sale (in reply to Patrick)
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Seems kind of crazy to buy great guitars and not play them though doesn’t it?
This is an interesting point Pat. Many people have lots of guitars, but I can only pay attention to 2. What do people do about keeping string in good condition etc, when they have 5 or 6 guitars?
Sean
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Date Nov. 30 2004 10:07:29
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gerundino63
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From: The Netherlands
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RE: Conde for sale (in reply to Guest)
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Hi !
I think they save them!
And sell them at a better time, I think it is a better investment than the dow-jones!
wood is getting more expensive, manual labour hours are getting more expensive.
Ever looked at the prices of older well known handmade guitars?
Better sit down first....
http://www.guitarsalon.com/store.php?template_id=store_site_a.tpl&item_number=GUFLFERGER1998-03418&render_it=SPEC&spot=img_1&search_string=&product_cat=FL&render_type=&order_by=description_short&back=2&
So, buy a few good ones, save them, and enjoy your pension in the sun in Spain, with you old,
last saved Conde, Reyes, Gerundino, Arcangel, Bellido, Manzanero, Ramirez....... 
Peter
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Date Nov. 30 2004 10:25:00
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RE: Conde for sale (in reply to gerundino63)
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Peter
When you try to buy a great guitar, it is very expensive. But when you try to sell it, nobody wants to pay NY prices (and they include the commission of the seller, so you get even less).
Sean
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Date Nov. 30 2004 14:02:24
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Patrick
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From: Portland, Oregon
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RE: Conde for sale (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Peter,
I think you have to be very careful if you plan to treat any guitar as an investment. Personally, I look at it more like fine artwork. Buy what you like and if the price goes up, so much the better, but don't bet the farm on it.
As you have said, if you are looking at them as investments you better stick to a small group of well known builders. And most of these guys better be dead or close to it! The problem with this is, it would eliminate buying guitars from master builders like Aaron Green and Lester DeVoe. The problem is, guys like Aaron are just young pups. So what's the chance of my Green being worth double what I paid for it in ten years?
I'll bore you with some numbers. If an item doubles in value in ten years, this is equivalent to approximately a 7% return on your money. It has to double in about five years to be equivalent to a 15% return. So you have to ask, what is the chance of that happening?
So what is the likelihood of beating the stock market? Let's get together in Spain in ten years and I'll have the answer for you!
Pat
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Date Nov. 30 2004 17:26:52
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Patrick
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From: Portland, Oregon
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RE: Conde for sale (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Thing is, whilst you've had it you've enjoyed it and if you can break even, you've had the fun for free.
Jim,
That's the way I look at it as well. I just donated my Shelton-Farreta blanca to our local non-profit flamenco society for a fund raising auction. I paid $2,800 for it and could have sold it for about $1,500. I'll get a nice tax break, but it won't be worth $1,500. They sold it for $1,000 at the auction. So everyone came out fine. My wife even mentioned that I had received more than a $1,000 in enjoyment from it in the two years I owned it. When you think about it, it's pretty cheap entertainment.
Pat
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Date Nov. 30 2004 19:17:10
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musicalgrant
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RE: Conde for sale (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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I have a 500 pound guitar french polished etc, and made especially for my taste in sound and action. If I brought a Conde it would not be so personal but the name Sounds Good.
I would rather buy a guitar made by a fellow country man who is trying to make a name for himself, than from someone who already has a name! Because you know with the fellow country man he will do his utmost to make you the best guitar he has ever made, whereas with Conde and all those big names, they see an English man, or an American, or a Japanese and think I'll get rid of this guitar they wont know the difference and they aren't famous!! etc, etc,,,
That is my opinion as someone who has not enough pennies to spend on a Conde lol
Cheers Grant
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Date Nov. 30 2004 21:50:12
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RE: Conde for sale (in reply to Ron.M)
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Ron
You can lower the bridge by lowering the bone and removing wood from the top of the channel. Since you also lose angle, you can redrill the bridge for 12 holes, which gives you much more angle.
Suerte
Sean
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Date Dec. 30 2004 14:39:01
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RE: Conde for sale (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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How high is the action above the soundboard at the bridge and how much bone do you have above the bridge?
Sean is right about having the bridge redrilled to a 12 hole. It does help on low action, but look for someone who knows his/her stuff. And has got the proper equipment for the operation.
Anders
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Date Dec. 31 2004 7:39:09
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