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rombsix

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to minordjango

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explanation of how to play


Thanks go out to Norman on this one. The video I uploaded has me playing something a bit different, though, from the tab you will see on his website.

http://www.ctv.es/USERS/norman/pmiexc.htm#alzap%C3%BAa

Minor: Actually, those are my pajamas. As to which palo this works for - it's basically an exercise, and I've never thought what I could fit it into...

Andy: Ole hombre!

ToddK: Gracias amigo! I'm so far off though... Need to get some more practicing done, but just too busy!

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KMMI77

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

Part of El Entres system for practicing technique is practicing many different combinations of arps, thumb work, rhythmical strumming patterns, tremelo etc..over chord patterns. One of the patterns is taken from Villa-Lobos study no 1.

Here is a photo of some notes i made from when i had classes with him. I wrote them out quickly in a way that only really makes sense to me. I have about 5 pages worth but they would be confusing for anyone else to look at.



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KMMI77

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

The idea is to practice the technique over the chord groups. All possible combo's of arps, tremelo, etc... Manuel Granados uses a similar system in his book titled, Estudio tecnico de la guitarra Flamenca. For example,



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 11 2010 20:21:47
 
KMMI77

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

The exercises he taught me are the same ones they are playing in the videos of his new school. Same solea and alegrias as well. He also has many exercises for picado and left hand ligados. Similar and equally effective exercises are all in Manuel Granados, Estudio technico de la guitarra flamenca book.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 11 2010 20:28:45
 
Florian

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to KMMI77

thank you very much guys , i appreciate it, and thank you kris

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Ailsa

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

Thanks Ramzi and deteresa! Now I have no excuse.

Really nice of you guys to help out.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 11 2010 23:31:48
 
Arash

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to guitarristamadrid

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can you upload a video of this excersise too ? thanks

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2010 6:45:50
 
mezzo

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

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go out to Norman on this one

This site is very cool. Good stuff and info available on

Here is my version of an exercise that I found on this site. A very useful one...

Tabs here : http://www.canteytoque.es/pmiexc.htm#pluck





The first time is played all apoyando. The second time is tocao sin apoyar (for the i and m).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2010 8:16:17
 
NormanKliman

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to mezzo

Ramzi and Mezzo, you've made me very happy!!!

Just one thing about the p-i-m exercise: In the sixth measure, when you play the D/F# chord, the last note in that measure is an A on the third string. It works better if you fret that A with your middle finger because it will free your ring finger for the next note, which is a G on the sixth string (notice the little number "2" in the transcription). It might seem uncomfortable or difficult at first, but it's an easy move that fits smoothly into the rest of the pattern without compromising volume or momentum.

The new site (www.canteytoque.es) is the one that I'm updating. The CTV site has been adrift since December and I'll eventually let it go. I've still got a lot of work ahead of me to replace all the crappy GIF images on the new site (including that alzapúa exercise, which, by the way, can be used for a bulería with toque de granaína), and I hope to get that done soon and upload some new material that I've been working on for the last few years.

Thanks guys!




Kris, that's an excellent idea, using the same chord progressions for different right-hand patterns. I play the Villalobos etude a little differently, but I've never seen the score so I don't know if my version is right. But I like the chords a little better my way, see what you think, if you like. The difference is after the A minor barred at the fifth fret.

-0--0--0--2--0--0--5--5--5--7--0
-0--1--0--0--0--0--5--5--7--7--12
-0--2--1--2--0--1--5--7--5--8--10
-2--4--2--1--2--2--7--5--7--7--12
-2--3--2--0--2--2--7--7--6--9--11
-0--0--0--2--3--4--5--6--5--7--0

(Ends chromatically as you've indicated.)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2010 8:43:05
 
Ailsa

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to NormanKliman

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Ramzi and Mezzo, you've made me very happy!!!


It must be great to see your work being put to use Norman. And well deserved too

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2010 10:25:40
 
rombsix

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to Ailsa

Thanks to Norman and Ailsa.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2010 13:38:32
 
guitarristamadrid

 

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

Hey guys! I am combining a bunch of arpeggio exercises together in a gp5 file, including some complete ones of Entri, some of mine, and I am going to make a video showing them also. Between the video and gp5 file it will give you a very thorough arpeggio workout

Later I will do this with picado, pulgar etc

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2010 13:58:37
 
aleksi

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

Thanks for the great exercises everybody.
Kris; how do you finger the sixth chord from the chord group 3?
it looks like
$6 8 $5 7 $4 6 $3 4 $2 5 $1 4

I dont have enough fingers to do that
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 0:27:06
 
KMMI77

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

Chord group 1

-0-0-3-1-1-0-0-0-0-3-5-0-5-3-1-0
-0-1-2-3-0-1-3-1-1-3-5-5-5-3-1-0
-1-2-0-2-0-0-1-2-2-4-5-7-5-4-2-1
-2-2-2-0-3-2-3-2-0-5-7-6-7-5-3-2
-2-0-1-0-2-3-2-0-3-5-7-7-7-5-3-2
-0-0-0-0-3-3-0-0-1-3-5-0-5-3-1-0

Chord group 2

-0-0-0-2-0-0-5-5-7-7-7-0---0---0----------------------------------0-0
-0-1-0-0-0-0-5-5-8-7-7-12-11-10-Move down holding shape-2-0
-0-2-0-2-0-1-5-7-9-9-8-10--9--8----------------------------------0-0
-2-4-2-1-2-2-7-5-9-9-7-12-11-10---------------------------------2-2
-2-3-2-0-2-2-7-7-7-7-9-11-10--9----------------------------------1-2
-0-0-0-2-3-4-5-6-7-7-7--0---0---0---------------------------------0-0

Group 3

12--11--9--7--5--4--2--0--1--2--2--0--4--5--3--3--1--0--2--4--5--7--9
-9---10-10-7--7--5--4--0--2--2--4--0--3--5--6--5--4--0--4--5--7--7-10
-9---11--9--8--6--4--2--1--4--2--2--1--4--5--4--5--2--1--2--4--6--8--9
-9----9--11-9--7--6--4--2--3--4--4--2--2--7--3--5--1--2--4--6--7--9-11
-0----0---0--9--0--7--2--2-----4--2--2------7--5--3--3--2--2--7--0--9--0
---------------7-----4--2--0-----2---2--0------5--3--3--1--0--2--4--0--7--0--repeat!

My writing is to messy and hard to see.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 1:46:38
 
Chiste de Gales

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to mezzo

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ORIGINAL: mezzo

quote:

go out to Norman on this one

This site is very cool. Good stuff and info available on

Here is my version of an exercise that I found on this site. A very useful one...

Tabs here : http://www.canteytoque.es/pmiexc.htm#pluck


The first time is played all apoyando. The second time is tocao sin apoyar (for the i and m).


Just an unsolicited comment- you aren't playing the bass and melody notes together as written. There's a delay between the two each time you play them. Try slowing it down when practicing to correct this.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 3:52:47
 
guitarristamadrid

 

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

I see you guys are talking about Entri's 3 chord groups - here they are in clean form



Later I will show you a million right hand exercises you can do with these groups

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 3:57:28
 
guitarristamadrid

 

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

And here is the first arpeggio


There are 15 of these, distributed over the 3 chord groups. I know all of Entri's, plus I made up my own that I feel really fill in gaps in Entri's system and give the fingers a lot more independence, distributing power over the whole hand. The greatest challenge of the right hand is to make M, A, and X (pinky) as powerful and independent as I, so you essentially have four I fingers

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 4:11:07
 
mezzo

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to NormanKliman

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It works better if you fret that A with your middle finger because it will free your ring finger for the next note, which is a G on the sixth string (notice the little number "2" in the transcription).

yeah i see it now. Thanks. I'm going to "relearn" this

quote:

Just an unsolicited comment- you aren't playing the bass and melody notes together as written. There's a delay between the two each time you play them.

yes I see what you allude to but I done that way on purpose. I prefer when it sounds like that (with delay). In fact for this kind of Pi or Pm play together, i always play it with delay.
But you're right the delay may be too long here

And thanks for all that CHORDS

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 4:55:32
 
Estevan

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to Chiste de Gales

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Just an unsolicited comment- you aren't playing the bass and melody notes together as written. There's a delay between the two each time you play them.

Also known as "Segovia's Disease".

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 6:32:09
 
Chiste de Gales

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to Estevan

Still another unsolicited opinion: Artistic "Segovia disease" interpretation is just fine when performing.

If you are wanting to work on strictly technical exercises, you are cheating yourself out of valuable practice time by playing that way.

Rant is over. Im really not trying to start an argument.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 7:24:13
 
Estevan

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to Chiste de Gales

quote:

Still another unsolicited opinion: Artistic "Segovia disease" interpretation is just fine when performing.

If you are wanting to work on strictly technical exercises, you are cheating yourself out of valuable practice time by playing that way.

Rant is over. Im really not trying to start an argument.

No argument here. The occasional anticipation of a bass note, done consciously, can be an effective expressive device.
'Segovia's Disease' was a term that used to be used - tongue in cheek - to refer to the habitual (therefore unconscious) splitting of bass notes from melody notes that are meant to be simultaneous. As you say, not a good way to work on technical exercises (unless you really want everything to be that way).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 7:55:32
 
Chiste de Gales

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to Estevan

Im not worried about you, Esteban. I just mean that Im not out to make attacks on Mezzo.

All is well.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2010 14:08:59
 
mezzo

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to Chiste de Gales

quote:

If you are wanting to work on strictly technical exercises, you are cheating yourself out of valuable practice time by playing that way.
quote:

As you say, not a good way to work on technical exercises...

Hummm, it seems that I should rework on this exercise
I'll consider your advice. It costs nothing to execute it as you say.

quote:

I just mean that Im not out to make attacks on Mezzo.

Do not worry for that, I appreciate your advice.


Guitarrista if you have some kickass pulgar exercise that you can upload...thks

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2010 5:23:00
 
ninoyderoberto

 

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to guitarristamadrid

I learn similar exercise during my first year classical guitar training...............
35 years ago.....
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2010 6:08:22
 
yohan

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to ninoyderoberto

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I learn similar exercise during my first year classical guitar training...............
35 years ago.....

indeed these arpeggio's and chords are just basic exercises that everybody is learning and which you can find in every book...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2010 10:23:19
 
Estevan

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to ninoyderoberto

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I learn similar exercise during my first year classical guitar training...............
35 years ago.....

Yes, it's a long established practice... as evidenced by Giuliani's studies published in 1812:

120 Right Hand Studies

[or, for the antiquarians, the historical version: Studio per la Chitarra ]

The principle is: in order to focus on the right hand, keep the left hand simple. You could use any chords, as long as they don't distract you.

Giuliani keeps it simple by demonstrating the patterns with just two chords, which are guaranteed to drive you bananas in a short time. In order to use a longer sequence such as the ones that Kris and Evan have kindly shared with us, it's necessary to memorize them first. (IMO)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2010 10:50:06
 
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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

It's been a while since I posted a technique video. Here is a quick one about how to practice to improve alzapua. Sorry about the sound quality. MovieMaker destroyed it when I imported the file.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 29 2010 11:31:07
 
Ron.M

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to Grisha

Wow Grisha!

That's the most comprehensive, top-level Alzapua video that's ever been posted on the Internet.

Many thanks for sharing the wisdom of your experience maestro!

cheers,

Ron
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Elie

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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

Thank you Grisha very helpful video
thanx for sharing and spending the time doing it
but I have a question I couldn't figure the technique you're doing
on the minutes ( 2:15 => 2:32 ) is it a triple Rasqueado with I and P
thanx again
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 29 2010 11:53:47
 
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RE: Anyone want technique exercises?... (in reply to rombsix

Great exercise Grisha? Mind telling us what strings you use? It sounds tight but has a fair amount of slack and snap.
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