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CuerdasDulces

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Arash

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my hands were getting destroyed by the chords which i "created" without that Drop D tuning lol


Yeah me too Can you play it now?

This Solea por Bulerias reminds me of Anton's "Semilla del Encanto" for some reason. Both are amazing pieces played by two amazing guitarrists which are pretty much at the top right now. With so many great guitarrists now a days it just makes you wonder who's gonna be the next "Paco" after Paco
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Arash

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to CuerdasDulces

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ORIGINAL: CuerdasDulces

Can you play it now?


play the whole piece? you must be kidding.

few chords till now, yes.

quote:

This Solea por Bulerias reminds me of Anton's "Semilla del Encanto" for some reason. Both are amazing pieces played by two amazing guitarrists which are pretty much at the top right now. With so many great guitarrists now a days it just makes you wonder who's gonna be the next "Paco" after Paco


the SPB from Anton is in Granaina Key with E->D tuning.
thats one reason why it has the same feeling with all the open strings , etc.

imo such tunings, chords, etc. are much cooler for SPB , than the "normal" thing.

Another cool thing (for tangos for instance) is to tune the E down to a deep H and play in Granaina key.
the string almost wobbles around, but you can do such things:



i practiced this and finally learned this yesterday and it makes a lot of fun to play the whole time in tangos compas (also together with the video) - just with this falseta and the few other chords, nothing else. just go to doctorcompas.com, tangos, 160BPM or something, and start. really cool and lots of fun.

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XXX

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Arash

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ORIGINAL: Arash
the SPB from Anton is in Granaina Key with E->D tuning.


SpB has become my fav palo, even more than, i dare to say it, bulerias.
I think the E is tuned to C in Antons piece though, rest is normal.



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Arash

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to XXX

right Deniz.
i double checked it again with this vid , you are right.
man i am getting confused with all the different tunings



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2010 3:23:13
 
Arash

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to XXX

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ORIGINAL: Deniz
SpB has become my fav palo, even more than, i dare to say it, bulerias.


it really depends.

if i take all SpB i know and all Bulerias, then Bulerias still is no. 1 , then comes SpB

but there are some SpB (like the ones mentioned here) which are really kick ass

another one is the one from Chicuelo - El Mirador - from Diapasion

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orsonw

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Arash

Wouldn't it be great to be in Madrid tonight?
Diego del Morao masterclass and then concert of material from his forthcoming album.


http://www.flamenco-world.com/noticias/fotonoticia/diegodelmorao18052010.htm
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 20 2010 9:18:54
 
Arash

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Elie

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to CuerdasDulces

ouch!!
//i just felt like that when i read about the masterclass

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Pimientito

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Elie

I have been advised against making the following post by Estevan because it will only infuriate Conrad and Arash....

FOROFLAMENCO WARNING : DON'T READ NEXT PART

I did 2 gigs this weekend with a gypsy player from Granada called Ruben Campos who is a friend and student of Viejin and the Madrid scene. Anyway we were talking about Diego and he was showing me a couple of cool falsetas when he mentioned that Paquete has the master of the new album.

The album has been recorded now, its still not been edited and mastered yet so it wont be available for a little while but he said it is incredible.
"How do you know for sure' " I asked.
Ruben told me he has already heard the unmastered album from start to finish.

....Say that again. "oh yeah, i already heard it" like it was nothing. I think my jaw was on the floor now. He smiled at my reacton and then invited me to Madrid to check it out....so there is a good chance I will hear some of the master in the next couple of weeks

Carry on reading now

I wish I had been able to do the masterclass too

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 1 2010 0:23:49
 
Arash

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XXX

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Pimientito

does someone know how long such a mastering process is? What does mastering mean anyway, just adding reverb/effects? Or also cutting falsetas and putting them to one piece?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 1 2010 6:16:40
 
Conrad

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Pimientito

Ha! Lucky bastard. That's okay... even with all this growing hyperbole I know I will not be disappointed when it finally comes. Tell us about it if you do hear it, Marcos!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 1 2010 7:42:41
 
Arash

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to CuerdasDulces

Diego and Paquete jam - Tangos in Casa Patas



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 1 2010 7:56:04
 
Pimientito

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to XXX

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What does mastering mean anyway, just adding reverb/effects?

Probably Todd can answer this better than me but in the case of a guitar album you have tracks that have been recorded on different days. No matter how hard you try, there are differences in humidity, distance of guitar from microphone, the way that you play on that particular day etc. that make a lot of difference to the guitar sound. The mastering process evens out these variations so that it sounds like the same player recording on the same day. Then you can evenly adjust EQ, reverb etc over the album.

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Adam

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to CuerdasDulces

alright so I give up, I admit it - I have no idea what the big deal is with this guy! And everyone is treating his album like the coming of the messiah The sample on his website sounds really cool, but what has he recorded before/put on YouTube/etc. that makes people think this album's going to be so great?

Of course, now I can't wait either, lol
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orsonw

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Adam

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what has he recorded before/put on YouTube/etc. that makes people think this album's going to be so great?


He has alot of great recorded material released already but this is all accompaning cante (e.g. Montse Cortes, La Macanita, Diego el Cigala, La Tana etc..) So he's not at all an unknown player, I'm just excited to hear what he does as a solo artist as I really enjoy his playing for cante.
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Arash

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Arash

ole diego
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XXX

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Arash

the cameraman must be a guitarrist
that was a nice tanguillos i think, no?
unnormal sound at the end...

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Ricardo

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to XXX

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ORIGINAL: Deniz

does someone know how long such a mastering process is? What does mastering mean anyway, just adding reverb/effects? Or also cutting falsetas and putting them to one piece?


After a recording is mixed, meaning all the tracks balanced with guitar and palmas percussion voice etc, eq'd appropriate (I include effects in this stage too but I guess reverb or other signal processing could be part of mastering) the recording can be mastered.

Simply put if the tracks are not loud as they could be or balanced volume wise, some dude with an ear or not puts it all in the computer and looks at the amplitude and compresses away until it is all uniform.

Same goes for remastering. So many remastered albums I hear they just took the original and added tons of compression so it seems louder. Sounds horrible to me and in some extreme cases I hear clipping and such caused by too much driving the signal louder and louder.

That is why it is important to have an engineer with a good EAR do all the mixing and mastering IMO.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 1 2010 14:56:36
 
Arash

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to XXX

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ORIGINAL: Deniz

that was a nice tanguillos i think, no?



buleria imo
doesn't sound like a tanguillos to me

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 1 2010 21:04:48
 
Leendert

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Arash

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i practiced this and finally learned this yesterday and it makes a lot of fun to play the whole time in tangos compas (also together with the video) - just with this falseta and the few other chords, nothing else. just go to doctorcompas.com, tangos, 160BPM or something, and start. really cool and lots of fun.

Would you be willing to share the chords/tabs with us beginners who can`t figure this out?...I like the vid a lot :) Thanks!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 3 2010 0:42:58
 
Arash

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Leendert

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ORIGINAL: Leendert

Would you be willing to share the chords/tabs with us beginners who can`t figure this out?...I like the vid a lot :) Thanks!


Hi, i did't use tabs for this, just by looking to vid.
But i can write them down tomorrow.

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Arash

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to CuerdasDulces

Not that its important, but i discovered a mistake in this video (the first mistake ever i saw from Diego)

At 1.58 , that was wrong fret

Look at how he then closes his eyes for a second and looks to right side, like..."oh ****" ;-)



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XXX

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Arash

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ORIGINAL: Arash

quote:

ORIGINAL: Deniz

that was a nice tanguillos i think, no?



buleria imo
doesn't sound like a tanguillos to me


Yea at first i thought bulerias too, but his foot and the meter tells me different. Maybe Ricardo or somebody can comment on this.
edit: look at 1:10 what the cajon plays is pure tanguillos.

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Leendert

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to CuerdasDulces

I found this one as well as a related vid on youtube;

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Ricardo

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to XXX

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Maybe Ricardo or somebody can comment on this.
edit: look at 1:10 what the cajon plays is pure tanguillos.


Zapateado. It does not have the up beat or off beat swing of Tanguillo, but the rhythm is related. Certainly NOT buleria, although both rhythm have a 12/8 notes and accent, the BEAT is different and therefore the entire FEEL is different.

Nunez has a Tangos that is all in triplets and again sounds sort of like buleria.

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Doitsujin

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to CuerdasDulces

Its so very much time for some good new solo albums! I can´t listen anymore to my mp3s... I already heard everything too much.

These guys in south spain have to hurry up!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 12 2010 20:49:06
 
Conrad

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RE: Diego del Morao's album approach... (in reply to Ricardo

It's a bulerias, friends. Diego played it for me in his hotel room. The feel is different ya but that doesn't mean it's not a bulerias, just part of his style. Besides, isn't everything bulerias??? hehe jk

Diego's album should be released in September, so he says, but even he was uncertain on the subject . But he's kind of a big deal so I'm glad they're taking their sweet time. Meanwhile, we can find him on every third cante album anyway!
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