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Stoney

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Get off the Killer Weed ASAP 

Hello All,

I don't want to become a nag or a crazy person, so will be my one and only post on this subject. I am going to lose my father to cancer due to smoking. This is close to the lowest point in my life, and it all could have been avoided. I am furious that he smoked, that I smoke, that the whole family smokes, that I was addicted to this crap almost from birth, that cigarrettes even exist in our societies, that the industry does all it can to keep us addicted and to grab new customers (see the movie "The Insider.") And what do they do when first world societies reject their product and numerous people stop smoking or die off? They move to the third world and open up new markets for their poison there.

My father has lung cancer and bone cancer and I am on my way to Canada next week basically to say goodbye. There is no way to know how long he will be with us before this industry claims another victim.

Yes, we are all responsible for our own actions, I have heard all the arguements (usually from people who never developed the addiction or who weren't addicted to tobacco from birth without their consent) Nonetheless, there is no positive benefit from tobacco products and the only reason that Governments continue to allow this murderous product to exist is to line their pockets with tax dollars.

As for the families and owners of tabacco plantations and cigarrette factories - I honestly hope there is a special "HELL" for these folks.

PLEASE, IF YOU SMOKE OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO SMOKES - STOP NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE! GET YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY AND LOVED ONES TO STOP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE! BE A POSITIVE EXAMPLE TO YOUR CHILDREN INSTEAD OF PASSING THIS HORRIBLE ADDICTION ON TO THEM! STOP NOW!

Once someone you love has cancer you are going to feel guilty that you didn't do more to get them to stop. DON'T WAIT! DO IT NOW!

Peace,

Stoney
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2010 9:46:30
 
Kate

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RE: Get of the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

Sad news Stoney, really sorry to hear that.

Too true about the smoking habit. I'm one of those who was born to smokers. My folks gave up when they hit 60. I hope to do it before I hit 50.

be strong and take care

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2010 9:53:10
 
Rain

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

Man I am so sorry, so sorry for the hell you must be in now.

Take care of yourself and try to be strong.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2010 10:00:54
 
kovachian

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

That's sad to hear about your father, even when you know someone is on the verge of death, it really doesn't lessen the pain much, for some people not at all. I smoked almost regularly for 20 years, started when I was in my teens. I kicked the habit about two years ago and it's definitely one of the better decisions I've made in my regretful life. I don't know if I've shortened my life span or not, I suppose I'll never know.

At any rate, I hope you can find a way to overcome your addiction. Have you tried the patch? Or prescriptions?

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Arash

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

i am really sad to hear that about your father.

i smoke myself since i was 16, 17 and i am now 35.
i smoke 30 cigarettes daily.

my father smoked 60 cigarettes daily., but he did quit when he was 40 years old, now he is 65 and healthy.

he told me that it almost took him 7 hard years to really get rid of the addiction (i mean in his brain). he told me that even after 6 years, suddenly there were days where he was like getting crazy without cigarettes and almost felt like he quitted just few days ago, and so he was near to start again but gladly he didn't. and then after 7 years, it was really over!

i really want to quit, but it is so damn hard.
no one understands this, except other smokers.
"gladly" i don't have children and just do harm to myself.

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XXX

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

What a strike of fate. I wish you all the strength needed to overcome this.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2010 11:49:58
 
r0bbie

 

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

Stoney,

I am very sorry to hear that your father is so ill. I lost my father a couple of months ago and although I knew he was ill for more than a year, I never told him that I loved him. It is just the way we were raised I gues but short after he died I wondered if I should have told him that I loved him and forgive the things he might have done differently.

But I didn't. So when you go to your father make sure you tell him the things you want to tell him, after all, this might be the last chance you get.

I wish you strength and wisdom
Rob.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2010 13:27:09
 
Escribano

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to r0bbie

quote:

My father has lung cancer and bone cancer and I am on my way to Canada next week basically to say goodbye.


My Dad died of pneumonia a couple of years ago, brought on by COPD through smoking and I still smoke, crazy isn't it? He quit 20 years before he died.

Your post made me pause.... thinking of you and your family at this tough time.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 7:32:29
 
Ron.M

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Escribano

quote:

and I still smoke, crazy isn't it?


Yep, so do I.

Quite honestly I'd have to give up the guitar if I quit smoking.

Also other difficult stuff that require a few minutes reflective thought before carrying on.

A nicotine tablet, patch or even injection would not be a good enough substitute.

That's how deep this habit becomes ingrained in you!

Also the new laws make it a hassle in your workplace or watching a film or a concert or travelling by air, train, coach or even enjoying a pint down the boozer.

It really is a pain and extremely difficult for many to quit.

I was stupid enough to start at 21 when I was sharing a flat with a guy who smoked and thought I'd have the occasional one.

All I can say to the next generation is don't start. Don't even try it.

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 7:54:50
 
Arturo

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

I too am sorry to hear about your father. My father and older brother both died from complications due to smoking. It's awful!

I quit in 1983. The researchers say that given time your lungs will recover. They also say that if you don't stop you will die from it. The worst part is the poor lifestyle it causes.

Whatever it takes, please stop!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 10:11:46
 
Stoney

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

quote:

Quite honestly I'd have to give up the guitar if I quit smoking.


I agree with a lot of your post Ron - everything except the honesty part.

(and here is the real funny and ironic part - we have the determination to play what may very well be the most difficult musical form which requires discipline and dedication but we can't stop smoking? What a load of bull manure!)

One really gets to thinking of the psycology / mentality of the smoker and the damned lies related to this crap and the deceptions we tell ourselves when a loved one is dying from this garbage.

It will never happen to me.
I'll quit long before I ever get any serious effects or diseases.
I don't smoke that much.
I can quit any time I want.
etc. etc. etc.

I mean really, how many life threatening activities do you do in the course of a day? What kind of a mind could possibly play russian roulette and be able to justify it to themselves?

The real truth is -
It will happen to you - you and anyone unfortunate enough to be around you, either through second hand smoke or by picking up the habit from your example.
If you don't quit now, you'll never quit. Every day you wait will make it that much harder.
Any smoking is too much.
Quit any time you want? Yeah, right! Prove it!

Sorry, I wasn't going to repost on this topic so no offense to those people hell bent on killing themselves. Go right ahead. Become a statistic. It's a free world after all.

Arash - 30 cigarrettes a day and you started when you were 16 or 17? A friend's cousin died at 50 from lung cancer and he had the same basic habit. Are you really going to be satisfied with only 15 more years of life? Man, I'm 47 this month and I've smoked about 20 a day since my late teens. I would really like to be around for more than three more years in case the fakemenco thread pops its ugly head up again.

How about a beginners, intermediate and advanced challenge that has nothing to do with playing? (and smoking has a detrimental effect on your playing too cause you can either hear the player's breathing or they run out of breath during the physical parts of a piece - there is just no good here)

Stoney
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 10:30:59
 
Ron.M

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Arturo

quote:

My father and older brother both died from complications due to smoking. It's awful!


Arturo,

There is no direct way of telling whether you get a terminal illness due to smoking or not.

It's all done by statistics.

LOTS of older people die painfully from lots of stuff whether they have smoked or not.

ATM it's an open advertisement in the political/medical lobby that if you get lung cancer and are a smoker, then the smoking caused it.

If you were a non smoker, then it was breathing other people's smoke.

If you had never been in a position to ever breath in other people's smoke...then they scratch their heads and that data basically gets put in the dustbin as random effects interfering with the message.

All my adult life I've heard that the contraceptive pill for women could lead to higher mortality due to more risk of heart attack, stroke or even cancer.

Just now, in 2010 an Aberdeen research group have published a report based on a 40 year study that women who have taken the pill generally live longer and have fewer heart attacks, strokes and incidents of cancer than those who have not.

Personally and at the end of the day, I can't put my life on hold waiting for the researchers to publish their latest views and opinions.

quote:

He quit 20 years before he died.


Well there you go...

If you've smoked for a considerable amount of time then you're screwed anyway.

Also do I really want to live till 90?

(Great stuff and fun and games to look forward to, folks!)

You've got to answer that question yourself.

At the end of the day you are gonna die of SOMETHING.

No one has ever died of NOTHING.

But believe it or not...you are DEFINITELY gonna die...no matter what!

I think after about 60 it doesn't really make that much of a difference what you die of, personally speaking...

You just got to get on with it IMO.

cheers,

Ron

PS: Stoney...Of course I'm sorry about your Dad and your family...

So are you telling me that you have now quit?

You've had the last one.

That's it.

Finito?

Or have you still got a pack around?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 10:40:50
 
Pgh_flamenco

 

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Ron.M

Sorry to hear of this, Stoney

quote:

If you've smoked for a considerable amount of time then you're screwed anyway.

Also do I really want to live till 90?


A period of heavy smoking can lead to cancer even if the person quit decades ago. That's what I've heard from MD's. I quit over 20 years ago--it's a truly useless habit.

Just because a person smokes does not mean they will get cancer. My grandfather smoked for 70 years--two packs a day minimum--and he quit in his late 80's. He used to tell young people that they should quit and talked about how much better felt after quitting. He died at age 98 and was doing yard work until his early 90's.


quote:

All my adult life I've heard that the contraceptive pill for women could lead to higher mortality due to more risk of heart attack, stroke or even cancer.

Just now, in 2010 an Aberdeen research group have published a report based on a 40 year study that women who have taken the pill generally live longer and have fewer heart attacks, strokes and incidents of cancer than those who have not.


The suppression of menses results in lower rates of cancer whether it's done with the pill or frequent pregnancies. I'd be willing to bet the cancer myth associated with the pill was the result of moralists fearing a wave of sexual promiscuity. Seems to be the way it works. After all who needs science when you have religion?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 11:38:08
 
CuerdasDulces

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Pgh_flamenco

I don't smoke but I heard that some people are using these now instead of real cigarettes http://www.electroniccigarettesinc.com/

Here's some more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 11:48:11
 
Ron.M

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Pgh_flamenco

quote:

After all who needs science when you have religion?


Yeah Pgh...

Why worry about anything when we're all gonna die from Global Warming anyway?

I doubt if Simon will be scrapping his Mustang soon due to pangs of guilt, or Arash with his BMW.

Or the Hummer freaks...

(Or the guy in front of the firing squad refusing his last cigarette because he'd read that it was bad for his health...)

Stroll on...


cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 11:58:44
 
Stoney

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

I had my first stolen cigarrette at 8 years old. Never really stopped after that but I didn't hit the pack a day mark until I was 20.

This last summer I quit for 2 months and then fell back into bad habits. Luckily the guilt over going back on them has kept me down to about 5 to 10 a day since last summer with the odd bad day and a few nights out drinking with the boys.

So no, I haven't quit. As a matter of fact, I have programmed tomorrow to be my first non smoking day. Since I will be in Canada and staying with my folks, I can hardly smoke around my father (not to mention my mother who also suffers from breathing problems and has a pace maker - all thanks to cigarrettes) So I am going to have to make it stick this time.

On another note, between going out peacefully at 80 or being eaten alive at 55, 60, 65 or 70 by raging mutating cells that jump from one vital organ to another, I'd just as soon take the peaceful route. Sure, we all have to go some time but Cancer seems like something we'd all be better off avoiding.

And the damage from smoking doesn't necessarily have to be permanent. Ask anyone who has quit for even a month. They will tell you they feel much better, breathe easier and medical reports say you greatly decrease your chances of getting a smoking related disease with every year that passes.

I won't post on this theme again. Or maybe I will in one year if I am still not smoking. One way or another, by that time I will be down to one parent and I doubt I'll be the only one out of all our members to lose a family member to cigarrettes in that time.

Stoney
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 12:18:23
 
Ron.M

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

quote:

I'd just as soon take the peaceful route


So would we all, Stoney....So would we all..

However that ain't guaranteed regardless of how we live our lives as you well know.

I understand your feelings of anger though.

Anyway, all strength to you on your way to Canada.

Times like these are not easy, as I already know myself...

All the best man...concentrate on supporting the others there.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 12:29:04
 
runner

 

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

Stoney, smoking used to be my friend; it would help me through tough or boring times, and I enjoyed it very much. But 30 years on, my friend began to turn on me and cause me to worry that I might well be developing throat cancer--that constant cough, that "rat" in my throat when I awoke in the morning. My father had a business associate who had had his larynx removed due to throat cancer, and "spoke" in a weird whistle--I didn't want that, for sure. And the expense, the yellow fingers and teeth, the loss of stamina--my friend had turned on me, and it had to go.

Quit cold turkey one day, telling no one--we'd see how long it would take them to figure it out that I'd quit. Also abruptly replaced one habit with another--after dinner, instead of a cigaret, I leapt up from the table and took a hour bike ride every day. Sucked on the cap of a Flair pen when the urge got strong. Worst day was 3 days later--I filched a cigaret out of the open pack of a co-worker, twirled it around in my hand, then put it back into his pack. Best move I ever made. It's been 27 years now off the killer weed, and I've never looked back. The funny thing is--that leaving aside that all the bad and expensive downsides of smoking are gone--your life is exactly the same as it was before, but you just don't smoke any more. You don't become Jesus, or Einstein, or Paco; you are the same, but you just don't smoke any more. And that's pretty good.

runner
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2010 12:38:13
 
edguerin

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

I don't believe quitting because somebody tells you it's bad for your health or because of a guilty conscience will work.
It'll only work if you WANT TO quit, not if you believe you OUGHT TO quit!

For me (20-40 cigs/day for 37 years, starting at 13) the turning point was when I realized I was planning trips so I could smoke (e. g. "I'm not going to Madrid this year, I don't want to be in a plane for 2-3 hours ...").
I decided I wanted to be my own boss.
That was 8 years ago.

Oh, and Bupropion helped.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 13 2010 8:43:38
 
at_leo_87

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

i'm sorry about your father, stoney.

my best friend lost his dad to cancer. first, it was lung cancer, he beat that. but it came back as brain cancer.

i smoked in high school but quickly gave it up when i had no money and because i didn't like the idea that i "needed" something, that i was a slave to something. like edguerin said, i wanted to be my own boss.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2010 8:21:13
 
Ron.M

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to at_leo_87

I don't want it to sound like I'm somehow defending smoking or questioning the health issues.

However I hate when things become hysterical, like the anti smoking campaign has.

Pub landlords and restaurateurs have willingly offered to have two physically separate rooms for those who wish to smoke and those who don't and other businesses (travel etc) have suggested perfectly reasonable alternatives.

But that has been rejected as not good enough.

Now hundreds of local and once popular pubs that have been going for decades have had to close due to declining business.

Reason has gone out the window, (much like the Global Warming issue IMO) and all we have left is quasi religious hysteria.

Now we have extremist groups campaigning for no smoking to be allowed outdoors as well.
It seems that tobacco smoke is now as toxic as Tabun and Sarin nerve gas.

Here in the UK, one of the arguments is the drain on the NHS.

Well..grossly fat people are also a drain on the NHS as well as making life misery for others when travelling on coaches, trains and planes, so why don't we ban fat people from public transport and certain places like fast food outlets for their own and the public good?

Every year, hill walkers and climbers have to be rescued from the Scottish Highlands here by the Mountain Rescue Service, involving tens of thousands of pounds each time in the cost of special helicopters and risking the lives of land teams and taking up intensive care beds in Hospitals...all because they thought they would "challenge" themselves by climbing despite Severe Weather Warnings being issued by the local authorities.
Perhaps we should ban these activities or at least prosecute those who behaved in a reckless way with no regard for themselves or others.

The latest potential hysteria ready to come up to the boil is to substantially raise the cost of alcohol in order to supposedly curb "binge" drinking amongst teenagers.

This will obviously raise the price for everyone across the board, including folk on a limited income etc, while I doubt if the teenage drinkers will even bother or give a toss, if their bottles of extra strong cider etc goes up by 20% or whatever.

Who are the clever people who think up these schemes?

As I said, smoking is not advisable. People have been given the facts and it's up to them to make a choice. Young folk should be encouraged not to start.
Non smokers should have the right not to have to tolerate smokey environments.

That's sensible.

But we don't have sense here that I can see anyway, only hysteria and extremist groups leading the way forward.


cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2010 10:12:07
 
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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

My two cents worth on this. I smoked for 27 years 3 packs a day. When I quit 15 years ago my doctor made it it easy for me. He said, "quit now or die". Simple as that. I asked him if he wasn't pulling my leg and he gave me a week to live. I took up running (of course I quit on the spot) and went on to run three marathons before an accident almost took one of my legs. People would tell me that I had all the will power in the world and I had to laugh to myself because willpower had nothing to do with it. When you have a choice of either dying or living the choice is easy. So....you can always stop and you can breath again and even excel at it. I am going to get this leg moving again and I may not run marathons but I will run long distance again (unless it interferes with my attempts to play flamenco guitar). -------smile inserted here-----

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2010 12:41:27
 
Ron.M

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to johnguitars

quote:

I asked him if he wasn't pulling my leg and he gave me a week to live.


Wow John...

So if you had smoked for exactly a week more you would have been dead?

That's amazing!

Sounds like a really precise Doctor and really on top of his stuff!

BTW I hope you don't drink...

Alcohol is treated as a poison by the body....the body has no use for it whatsoever and it causes chemical malfunctions in practically every organ, most noticeably in brain function.
Even very modest amounts of any drink containing alcohol from the cheapest ciders to the very best wines can cause mouth, throat and stomach cancer.

Think about that the next time you have a beer or glass of wine!

However, maybe informed pressure groups within the United States as a First World country might persuade the Federal Government to ban the substance for the good of the populace?

EDIT: John...I am genuinely really glad you gave up smoking and appreciate that you were not well at the time, so I'm not making fun at you, but my argument is about this 'blanket' ban being put on everyone by the anti smoking "evangelists".

I have been smoking for about 40 years now.
I'd probably like to give up, mainly due to cost and inconvenience, but find it extremely hard.

Probably because I quite enjoy smoking actually...
As folk have for the last few hundred years.

That's the other side of the coin that the evangelicists and legislators fail to mention or even consider.

Their theme (as non-smokers and ex-smokers) goes on assuming everybody really wants to quit... and their view is the only view that counts, even if they pay no more taxes or play more of a socially benificial role than myself.

Mommy knows best.

A while ago I contracted viral pneumonia.

It was starting to clear up when I got a Hospital appointment to check if it wasn't anything more serious.

During the test for lung capacity and oxygen transfer, the operator looked at the results and said (laughingly) "Are you sure you're in the right ward?".

I'm not sneering at fate or not being grateful, but quite frankly I'm not lacking breath or coughing or lacking energy.
To say I am would be false.

We are all sensible adults with the gift of reason and should be granted some sort of choice in a free society IMO.

If I die of lung cancer, then it will be because I continued smoking.
If haven given up smoking, I die of lung cancer, then it will be because I smoked in the first place.

In either case I will be past worrying.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2010 13:07:48
 
johnguitars

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

Ron

I guess I agree with you --when I smoked I was pretty against what I perceived as the anti smoking anti-personal rights thing evangelistic sort of thing. I also did have a temp of 104 when the doctor gave me a week to live or die in and my x-rays several doctors looked at and could not decide if it was just pneumonia or lung cancer with a viral pneumonia complication. Chest xrays are like that until they do a biopsy. They decided to do massive antibiotics so they could determine if it was one or the other or both. I am not evangelical at all and no preaching intended. I still like the smell of it when someone lights up (isn't that perverse eh?) and I try not to preach. I just thought it would be good to let people know that once you do go through that wall then everything is just like it was before but you are not spending money to kill yourself and that your lungs can heal and you can go on to great things personally (I never would have believed I could ever in my wildest dreams run a marathon after all that smoking---in other words -it is never too late to quit. I also ran 2000 miles in the year 2000 or 6 miles each and every day for a year).
Now I am going to shut up before I really do start preaching if I have not already. I got 15 more years than I would have and rediscovered flamenco and every day is a great gift and the last time I looked I think here in the states they are $5.00 a pack. So, I am saving $15.00 a day and living better and longer than I would have. If I live another ten years that would be $54,600.00 I will have saved besides the last 15 years or so. Not bad for a dead man like me, eh?
Now, I have to say that I have not and will not quit alcohol. A guy can't be perfect now can he? -----

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 14 2010 15:07:05
 
Ron.M

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to johnguitars

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Not bad for a dead man like me, eh?




Understood and appreciated, John.

cheers,

Ron
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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

I know this is going to sound crazy in light of this thread, but if you smoke you should stay away from methyl or phenol alcohol. That's it, unless you are taking a pharmacuetical. That's where people get in to trouble, and most don't know that.

I say it's too bad, but whether you choose to agree with me or dissagree, you've got to see that society has this grandeose idea that hard alcohol is ok and it's not ok. That means you've got to cut the coffee, and the alcoholic beverages properly to have it right, stop it with the street drugs, and over the counter remedies just to name a few; or anything you do in this light will complicate the matter, and that is what I believe.

Otherwise you can go around blaming every little thing under the sun for cancer and all of the health problems associated with meth and phenol. But it's your life, you've got to see it the way you prefer. If you don't get with it you're going to possibly die from all kinds of ailments, just like all the rest, and that is the hypocrisy that surrounds the whole issue, blame without taking this in to consideration. It's not for me to say however, but I just thought I would try to add that. Not too many people understand, and the whole of society is methyl and phenol crazed.

And if you didn't know that don't let me be the only one to tell you. Though not to many people will get with it and stop the nonsense, and there is no one but ourselves to blame for all of the trouble we get into. Cigarettes aside.
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daffey

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to gato

Im so sorry to hear for your loss Stoney ~
I lost my mother to lung cancer and sadly to say, that i have that terrible bug called addiction. I didnt start smoking until relatively later in life. Finishing my Masters degree, working a full time job, balance work and school the stress was too much. Cramming those late nights finishing my thesis, once i started, it took control. No i am a full blown addict. it kills me too becuase of what happened to my mother. I need to quit ...... and soon
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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to Stoney

Stoney,

So sorry to hear about your dad. I can relate. My father is on life support this morning, and will probably pass before noon today. He's essentially gone. His brain is dead. His condition is due to alcohol. Another big killer.

I currently smoke too, but im deadset on quiting this year. Reading your post will certainly give me that much more strength to follow through.
So thank you for sharing this with us.

I would also say to all here, if you are a heavy drinker, dont underestimate the damage you are doing to your body. Mainly, your liver. It can kill you before you even know you're sick.
My father was only 63.

Your family will be in my prayers this Easter Stoney.

TK

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 30 2010 5:47:28
 
Ricardo

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RE: Get off the Killer Weed ASAP (in reply to ToddK

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ORIGINAL: ToddK

Stoney,

So sorry to hear about your dad. I can relate. My father is on life support this morning, and will probably pass before noon today. He's essentially gone. His brain is dead. His condition is due to alcohol. Another big killer.

I currently smoke too, but im deadset on quiting this year. Reading your post will certainly give me that much more strength to follow through.
So thank you for sharing this with us.

I would also say to all here, if you are a heavy drinker, dont underestimate the damage you are doing to your body. Mainly, your liver. It can kill you before you even know you're sick.
My father was only 63.

Your family will be in my prayers this Easter Stoney.

TK


Sorry brother. I know how it feels to lose a father too.

I don't smoke but I hang with smokers. I also like the smell having grown up with smokers in my house. My reasons for not smoking are strange, but I deliberately stopped before I got started. I still like the second hand smell, but here it is illegal in almost all public places to smoke. And yeah even on some outside Terrace kind of things I have seen. I also hang with heavy drinkers and am one myself nowadays. I deliberately stopped drinking for 2 weeks just to prove to myself I was not alcholic yet, but I can see how it could happen and does happen to lots of people.

But the only thing is, we are all gonna go sometime somehow. So, it is important to understand why we need to quit something. I look around and see so many people depressed, but these feelings will happen with or without bad things coming into your body. One would think artists who have such a great emotional outlet, would not need subtances, yet they are often the ones that get over come by them. Just having long hair I always get asked if I have or want to smoke weed.

ricardo

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