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Joined: Nov. 10 2008
From: Helsinki, Finland
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to at_leo_87)
you already have a stage name...its starting to be serious. I go by the name Jesus a.k.a. alejandro My cajon player friend is Hot Chocolate so together we go as Jesus and Hot Chocolate. catchy name isnt it. Its good to have lots of alias names, 'cause if you get in to a rap battle with some other guitarist, you can use those personas to boost your flow.
Hey, but good to hear you are doing more performances Anthony.
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to at_leo_87)
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yup, that's me. i guess it sounds cooler and more authentic than anthony.
Ummm, yeah ... i dont know i can only speak for myself and i dont speak spanish, am not into spanish culture, dont know spanish food. I just love learning and doing this art form, that is the most authentic i will get.
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Joined: Aug. 30 2008
From: Boston, MA, U.S.A
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to aleksi)
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so together we go as Jesus and Hot Chocolate. catchy name isnt it. Its good to have lots of alias names, 'cause if you get in to a rap battle with some other guitarist, you can use those personas to boost your flow.
LOL! that's awesome! i've been needing something to keep my rhymes poppin' fresh.
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i dont know i can only speak for myself and i dont speak spanish, am not into spanish culture, dont know spanish food. I just love learning and doing this art form, that is the most authentic i will get.
i'm getting more and more into the culture, not so much to assimilate and try to fit in but just because i'm curious. i think it's helpful to learn spanish though, because cante sounds so much cooler and has more of an impact when you understand what they're saying, and because it's just nice to be able to converse with flamencos, who sometimes can only speak spanish.
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to at_leo_87)
yes i translated my favorite letras, sometimes its interesting, sometimes not. Some are related to history or reflect some deeper things, thats cool. Ive always wanted to learn "basic spanish", for the same reason as you, but that would be like 4th grade spanish, nothing to do with speaking a language in my opinion. It is an atavism that flamencos are automatically expected to be spanish, meaning it will change through time, the more people get to know the truth about their flamencos in "western" town . So far i havent seen a guitarrist in germany using a Spanish name, i think thats good. After all it bears a risk of getting ridiculed, if you are not 100% assimilated in "being spanish".
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Joined: Aug. 30 2008
From: Boston, MA, U.S.A
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to XXX)
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So far i havent seen a guitarrist in germany using a Spanish name, i think thats good. After all it bears a risk of getting ridiculed, if you are not 100% assimilated in "being spanish".
that's a good point, i haven't thought of that. but i'm not too worried, it's just kind of like joke that started in dance class.
and yes, spanish is hard to learn. at least i can read spanish children's books now. but what's amazing is all the non-native english speakers here who speak and communicate so well in english. when i think about that, i think, "well, what's stopping me from learning another language?"
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Joined: Apr. 17 2007
From: South East England
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to at_leo_87)
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ORIGINAL: at_leo_87
yup, that's me. i guess it sounds cooler and more authentic than anthony.
It's a funny thing isn't it, lots of people do that here in UK, adopt a Spanish name. Each to their own, but I don't want to do it because it just makes me feel uncomfortable. A while ago I was in a dance group where we were made to wear fake tan, dye our hair dark, and I did that although it felt silly. But I didn't take another name.
So on posters and stuff I just use my first name. The dance teacher whose classes I play for calls me Ailsita and that has stuck with all the dance students.
Sounds like you are doing really with those gigs Anthony - great opportunity.
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Joined: Aug. 30 2008
From: Boston, MA, U.S.A
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to Ailsa)
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lots of people do that here in UK, adopt a Spanish name.
who's that fellow from the u.k. that gets so much attention around here. johnny martin?
not only my first name is being affected but my last name as well. it's tran. so sometimes i get antonio tiri tiri tran tran tran, etc. at which point, i have to play some E and B7 chords until it resolves.
ailsita! that's actually pretty cool sounding but if you're uncomfortable with it, then there's no point.
now that fake tan and black hair business, that's just strange and unnecessary!
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From: South East England
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to at_leo_87)
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ailsita! that's actually pretty cool sounding but if you're uncomfortable with it, then there's no point.
No Ailsita is OK, because it's sort of a joke! And it's like Antonio - you can hear that it's related to your real name. It's more when people adopt completely unrelated names that I think it's strange. I can't really give an examples of what I mean without naming and shaming tho!!
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to at_leo_87)
Sorry thats not what i meant. Insider jokes etc. all different case. But on posters etc it is about how you present yourself to outsiders. Also, there is no spanish name like Ailsita right? But Antonio actually is, like Juan or Paco etc. I hope we are clear now. About dying hair... flamenco dancers seem to be like soldiers, uniform in blackening the hair, tanning etc. Meanwhile i understand a certain uniformity in dresscode, i think it can go too far. But as we all know, if there are 5 black haired and one blonde dancer, the latter one will get b*tched away quite soon.
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Joined: Aug. 30 2008
From: Boston, MA, U.S.A
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to XXX)
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Sorry thats not what i meant. Insider jokes etc. all different case. But on posters etc it is about how you present yourself to outsiders. Also, there is no spanish name like Ailsita right? But Antonio actually is, like Juan or Paco etc. I hope we are clear now.
i guess it's because i'm just a small time unknown, local guitarist that i dont worry too much about how i present myself.
so at what point to do i become "in" enough for a cool stage name like "hot chocolate?" it's like a video game. i want to beat some levels and get a high score, so i can input my own funny name.
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to at_leo_87)
ok here are the levels:
Stage names Paco-"..." (insert your first name) - 1000 points Double names - 10.000 points Hot chocolate - 1.000.000 points
You can gain points by shake hands with famous flamencos - 100 points a trip to spain - 1000 points moving to spain - infinite points
so to answer your question, you would need 1000 trips to spain for the stage name hot chocolate, or moving to spain. That will make you a bit more spanish than being a small time guitarrist in Boston, US. As long as that wont happen, or you dont obsessively deal with spanish in any other way, you will always be a white bread for me just like myself and all the other students that live their lives in a non-spanish country, that have no reason to pretend to be spanish by origin or by any other way .
Ps: I have found german guitarrists with spanish names, but they have spent several years in spain, thats something to consider. If somebody wants to be seen as "spanish" by all means, and hes putting some effort in it, then ok. But else not, IMO. Especially as small time guitarrist there is no pressure for you to act spanish, so why risk it? IMO anywas.
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Joined: Nov. 10 2008
From: Helsinki, Finland
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to at_leo_87)
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so at what point to do i become "in" enough for a cool stage name like "hot chocolate?" it's like a video game. i want to beat some levels and get a high score, so i can input my own funny name.
I think you are in a good way with antonio. Its a bit shy still, so I would go something like dr.Pepper or Cornflakesito With a stage name like that the only suprise for the people will be positive one, its a win-win situation. of course its always best when somebody else gives you the name. Its kind of illegal to give yourself nicknames, but if your flamenco community is small or they just dont get what going on , the only possibility is to give one for yourself.
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Joined: Aug. 30 2008
From: Boston, MA, U.S.A
RE: Live Flamenco @ Bar Lola every o... (in reply to XXX)
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so to answer your question, you would need 1000 trips to spain for the stage name hot chocolate, or moving to spain. That will make you a bit more spanish than being a small time guitarrist in Boston, US. As long as that wont happen, or you dont obsessively deal with spanish in any other way, you will always be a white bread for me
ok, well i don't want to be white bread anymore. i want to be the real whole grain stuff! it's healthier. at any rate, i should seriously focus more on my playing before i contemplate cool stage names. now is there a cheat i can input to help speed that up? i want to hurry up and get to the fun stuff like deciding between a helicopter or a ferrari.
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I think you are in a good way with antonio. Its a bit shy still, so I would go something like dr.Pepper or Cornflakesito With a stage name like that the only suprise for the people will be positive one, its a win-win situation. of course its always best when somebody else gives you the name. Its kind of illegal to give yourself nicknames, but if your flamenco community is small or they just dont get what going on , the only possibility is to give one for yourself.
LOL. cornflakesito. i can imagine now how awesome my lilfe would be if i had that status... i wonder if corn flakes would sponsor me.
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that's awesome! i've been needing something to keep my rhymes poppin' fresh. 
With a stage name like that the only suprise for the people will be positive one, its a win-win situation. 
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