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gj Michelob
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 RE: Peek at a new rosette design. (in reply to Estevan)
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And very fitting, as flamenco is a largely nocturnal art.
Quick witted, Estevan; I did not make that association, but it is quite a sharp way to interpret Stephen’s visual choice.
I enjoyed when Paco de Lucia described (in his “lights and shades”) how flamencos would retire to his father’s house after playing at some country club, and –now excited- would continue playing into the night, until dawn. I imagine a hot summer night in a simple cobblestone courtyard, with modest terracotta vases and a festivity of ordinary flowers and leaves climbing the tattered bricks of neglected walls. A night illuminated by voices and noises, shouting and tapping, then all rhythmically converging into a coherent melody. And young Paco, a keen spectator, peeking secretively from his room’s window, careful not to draw the artists’ attention, until morning.
I agree, there is a “nocturnal” element to flamenco.
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Date Feb. 25 2010 16:03:28
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estebanana
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RE: Peek at a new rosette design. (in reply to estebanana)
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My rosettes all have something in common which I've work on a bit, they have black and white tiles, with colorful braids. They are done in the Spanish style, which means they have a central tile motif, a border of usually black, a field of colored bands, and a braid element round the field with black borders where it meets soundboard wood.
If you are a guitarist and you look at rosettes, but wonder what's going on, there are a few things to check out. In a Spanish guitar you usually find some variation on that set up. Not always, but that is a basic composition scheme for Spanish rosettes. I use it quite straight forwardly because it is very flamenco and classic Spanish work.
Other details then come up like the braid orientation. Some makers make the braid angle point in or out, but they mirror the inside against the outside. While others make them go the same direction inside and outside. Manuel de la Chica did that quite often.
Some of the very best rosettes by Manuel Ramirez were quite simple and composed of colored rings, but still have a loose format of borders and fields. personally I find a simple well done rosette made by the guitar maker themselves is far superior to any store bought item you can find that is more intricate. Intricacy does not indicate a builder has clarity of vision or integrity. It quite often means they have enough confidence to let things be simple and understated as a relief to the overly gilded and quite out of character premade rosettes. Guitar makers who make their own rosettes give one more layer of uniqueness to the guitar they make.
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Date Feb. 26 2010 13:42:32
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Peter Tsiorba
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From: Portland, Oregon Pacific Northwest
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RE: Peek at a new rosette design. (in reply to Ron.M)
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ORIGINAL: Ron.M
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A brown, minimalistic rosette
Are you sure you are responding to estebanana's jpg?
cheers,
Ron
No, I think Doitsujin is commenting on my rosette. Yes, it is rather minimalist. I'm not sure how any rosette can possibly appeal to everyone. As to IKEA style design comment, Torres and Santos Hernandez (and many other designers through the centuries) must have been prophets. They have both used some extremely simple designs as well. Probably looked into their crystal ball, and stole the futurist ideas from IKEA designers ;)
Doitsujin, I am not against more elaborate rosettes, and have done both kinds. I have not developed a "signature" rosette yet. Not even sure I want to--for now I'm having too much fun experimenting with different ideas! I think both, simple and intricate can be successful, if executed with taste and cleanly done.
In the end, I'd rather see more "imperfect" shop-made rosettes than a bunch of "perfect" commercial samples sold in quantity. After all, what's so collectible about a $15 factory rosette, no matter how "pretty" it may be?
Doitsujin, just out of curiosity, do you have a photo of your favorite rosette? It's always interesting to see the expression of individual aesthetic.
Stephen (Estebanana), what other rosettes have you been doing lately? I'd enjoy seeing some photos.
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Date Feb. 26 2010 14:03:36
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