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RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
I guess Paco plays it 2-3 times on stage for some weird contracts...some photos will be in the net as we have now.. That he switches back to conde. I dont think he sticks to Devoe.
Im 100% sure thats just a business-thing to make some extra bucks OR the maker is friend of Paco and he helped him out with a friendly commercial. Why the heck should Paco use any other model than the guitar series Carillo made for him perfectly to Pacos specific wishes.. That wouldn't make sense..except the Paco de Lucia guitars are in fact really serious CRAP (As I personally think)
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to Doitsujin)
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I guess Paco plays it 2-3 times on stage for some weird contracts...some photos will be in the net as we have now.. That he switches back to conde. I dont think he sticks to Devoe.Im 100% sure thats just a business-thing to make some extra bucks OR the maker is friend of Paco and he helped him out with a friendly commercial.
I really don't agree with you on this, Paco would never play Lester Devoe or any other guitar on th stage for financial reasons.
As for the mediocre PDL brand guitars, those were made in a workshop according to Vicente Carillo's measures in an industrial way, except the 1a that was more costly, and Vicente Carillo had a greater role in the construction. Ramon the Algeciras, brother of Paco was making some money with Carillo on those and Paco only recorded couple of themes on cositas buenas with PDL brand guitar just to do a favour for his older brother, that's it.
I am not sure if Paco will continue playing on Lester Devoe guitars, what I am sure of is that Lester Devoe is a great guitarrero.
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RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to Arash)
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hehe,,,,Conde seams to be the Microsoft Windows of flamenco guitar.
everyone uses one but everyone hates it
This is not an only Conde Hermanos thread, please don't mess it up with the old useless discussions from before. If anyone just wants to discuss Conde guitars please take it sowhere else. I mentioned Conde in the thread just to highlight the fact that it's maybe the first time Paco is playing a different guitar in a concert. I don't want to compare guitar brands here.
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RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
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but the old one he had, the one from concierto Aranjuez was pretty good.
How do you know? Did you play it yourself? I have some people close to me that did play that guitar and felt it was crap. In fact what I heard was Ramon gave paco that guitar because it was too hard to play, and paco needed a guitar to sub one that was stolen from his car, right before he was on tour with Al dimeola and Mclaughlin.
I have seen paco use a couple guitars not conde on video: Ramirez in Rito y Geografia, Some unknown make in 1990
Devoe he used with Brian Adams and in Flamenco movie, but so we hear he did not like it so much and traded with Viejin(?). Of course the PDL Carrillo....and admits in is album recording only one track with Devoe.
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Im 100% sure thats just a business-thing to make some extra bucks
Not so sure, but it could be a favor. More likely the Devoe has a lower action and easier feel. He admits a lot that the conde was hard to play even though he likes the sound, and with nervous energy he is able to control it. But now he is slowing down, and as folks have noticed his technique is not what it was, so I would bet he is using it because like he says he prefers to play any other guitar around the house, other then that conde.
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to Ricardo)
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How do you know? Did you play it yourself?
No I didn't, the sound was good, if it was easy to play I don't know, we all have different tastes and measures.
Lester Devoe has sold a flamenca negra to El Viejin, nothing has been traded. Master Paco has now ordered a blanca from Lester Devoe. It tells me that Lester Devoe guitars are very nice and easy to play. Maybe therefore Maestro Paco is more interested now in Devoe instruments.
Our friend Grisha also said good things about Lester Devoe guitar I remember.
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RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to Ricardo)
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More likely the Devoe has a lower action and easier feel. He admits a lot that the conde was hard to play even though he likes the sound, and with nervous energy he is able to control it. But now he is slowing down, and as folks have noticed his technique is not what it was, so I would bet he is using it because like he says he prefers to play any other guitar around the house, other then that conde.
There's an interesting part in that recent (?) documentary (the one in Mallorca) where we see a rack of guitars, and the beautiful lady asks him about them. Paco says that he plays them at home but they all have too soft an action to play on stage, while the guitar he plays on stage is too hard to play at home! Maybe that's changing.
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
Strange thing to me is that the guitar is very very very important now, whilst in other threads it when it comes down to the guitar mostly also to the technique is mentioned as a very important factor to get a specific sound out of the guitar...so paco should be able to play even on a "whatever cheap guitar" and make a fantastic performance....or does he have a bad technique
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
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I really don't agree with you on this, Paco would never play Lester Devoe or any other guitar on th stage for financial reasons.
Ramon the Algeciras, brother of Paco was making some money with Carillo on those and Paco only recorded couple of themes on cositas buenas with PDL brand guitar just to do a favor for his older brother, that's it.
If you have 100.000.000$ you want more. There are billions of examples.. So its quite possible that also Paco want to earn some money.
Anyway, always the same with you guys...... read more carefully.. Paco could also do some favor to Devoe to push Devoes business.. The same with Gerardo on encuentro. He told a german guitar maker..Hey boy, I play your model in the encuentro video but you have to give it to me for 1000Euros. The german guitar maker was too proud abut his guitars and said NO. So...Gerardo did the deal with marvi who said actually YES. He played it for a while coz it has good sound and is good playable, but as he recently said in an interview..the marvi was to heavy for him. He wanna be able to move on stage and therefore switched back to his CONDE blanca.
All bout business my friends...al about business..
Paco does exactly the same.. as EVERYBODY would do.. it is just how it works. Open your eyes. Paco made a commercial for Devoe. (And puts the new Devoe, rumors said he ordered, in his glass showcase and shows it from time to time, with his 10 other ones he never uses, for TV-broadcasts that send hot girls with sexy legs till the neck in hot black stockings to him to ask some already 1000times answered questions to Paco...... And he gets paid for hat as well.. )
Open your eyes to the world.. there is only Conde (and carpio!). hehe
Well..in the end who knows? So.. for me its not important which guitar Paco plays.. I bought one time a guitar a very good pro guitarist used for a year..and I regretted it for around 3 years till I was able to sell the guitar and buy another one. I wont ever choose a guitar again because another person tells me it is a good guitar. I only try by myself. Every guitar is different... I tested more bad condes than good condes over the years.. though... atever Paco does...its not important.
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
Amir also did some commercials for mundo-flamenco.de as gerardo for encuentro and maybe Paco for Devoe...Hes in the boat!! Business...all about business..
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RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to Doitsujin)
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Paco does exactly the same.. as EVERYBODY would do.. it is just how it works. Open your eyes. Paco made a commercial for Devoe. (And puts the new Devoe, rumors said he ordered, in his glass showcase and shows it from time to time, with his 10 other ones he never uses, for TV-broadcasts that send hot girls with sexy legs till the neck in hot black stockings to him to ask some already 1000times answered questions to Paco...... And he gets paid for hat as well.. )
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
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If you have 100.000.000$ you want more. There are billions of examples.. So its quite possible that also Paco want to earn some money.
Well maybe DeVoe is forking over some dough, but I doubt it. Letser is a one man shop, working out of his garage. He'd probably have to put a second mortgage on his house to come up with the cash. But more importantly why would he? He got a three year waiting list and is close to 60 years old.
You ever think that maybe he just likes DeVoe guitars?
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to Ricardo)
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But now he is slowing down, and as folks have noticed his technique is not what it was, so I would bet he is using it because like he says he prefers to play any other guitar around the house, other then that conde.
As Oscar Herrero said somewhere, the technical standard of guitar playing is very high nowadays and there has never been such a big number of guitarist who end up with severe hand injuries.
I think Paco was one important reason for this trend if not the only reason. Any other reasons you can think of? Nino de Miguel's music was technically as demanding but I think that was also due to Paco's influence.
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to Mike_Kinny)
I have read that a german doctor who is specialized in injuries of musicians said that the guitar would be the hardest instrument to play (from an physiological point of view) as it requires extreme right/left hand synchronization and a bad sitting position for the back and lower back etc etc. Now part of it may be to flatter the poor guitarrist's soul, as this was in a guitar magazine, but having made experience with other instruments (for fun) i think it is more or less correct.
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to Doitsujin)
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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin He played it for a while coz it has good sound and is good playable, but as he recently said in an interview..the marvi was to heavy for him. He wanna be able to move on stage and therefore switched back to his CONDE blanca.
I want to see what kind of moves he was meaning there.
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
it doesn't take higher math to figure out what DeVoe is earning per year and it sure doesn't allow for buying testimonials. But he has always been aggressive in marketing them to high level players. And why not? Robert Ruck sold Manual Barrucco a cedar classical for $400 at the beginning of Manual's career and I bet the return on this in sales to Robert is easily in the hundreds. And besides I would imagine to a luthier, seeing your handiwork in the hands of a premier player can't be measured.
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
Doitsujin, little guys like Lester very likely aren't paying one penny to stars like Paco to play his guitars. What kind of bunk crap do you smoke that gives you the imagination to pull these random things out of thin air? Original: kovchian; "Lester blah blah blah... Then Paco blah blah blah... well you know, blah blah blah blah... "See! see! It's business"
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
Who is lester? Never heard about this person. (EDIT: Now I educated myself about this american luthier. So Vicente recorded his 3 newest CDs with Lester Devoe guitars. And I saw Sabicas and Viejin posing with Devoe.. Looks like he makes Guitars, Sabicas, Paco, Vicente and Viejin like. And Paco plays a Devoe in Carlos Sauras movie.. I wondered whcih guitar it could have been when I saw this movie. EDIT END)
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Original: kovchian; "Lester blah blah blah... Then Paco blah blah blah... well you know, blah blah blah blah... "See! see! It's business"
What does that mean? Im not too familiar with poems.. :.D But as I think to understand..thats a pretty fitting summary of my words.
I think luthiers or musicians who are at a certain level...dont need protection against funny trashtalking and rumors. So, lets not fight. What I wrote was meant funny. Im not working for any jounal that wanna put down Devoe or anybody. Just plattering a little coz Im in bed with fever and Im bored... I already saw any good movie I own.. Nothing to do except to jar on the nerves of Juan Martin- , Paco Pena- and Devoe-enthusiasts... (EDIT: Somehow..however I write my thoughts down..It always sounds harsh. Must be due to my poor english.. I wish we could talk instead of writing..than you would understand that Im joking... :.// END EDIT)
RE: Paco De Lucia using Lester Devoe (in reply to buleria74)
Don't worry about the slang. This is all just funny, that's all. I think you're stretching things pretty far with saying this person is paying that person and so on so forth. You assume that since Lester is a luthier (true), Paco is famous (true), therefore, Paco is using his fame to get a free or heavily-discounted guitar (huh?). I'm not saying that's impossible, it's just outlandish to connect dots where there aren't any. I think Paco buys guitars like we do, because he likes them like we do. I might be wrong, but I haven't seen indisputable proof to the contrary.
Unless you're being sarcastic about that, then the joke is on me.
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(EDIT: Somehow..however I write my thoughts down..It always sounds harsh. Must be due to my poor english.. I wish we could talk instead of writing..than you would understand that Im joking... :.// END EDIT)
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